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Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-17-2023
(07-17-2023, 08:11 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I'd be keeping McGovern.Kemp, McGovern and Marchbank are too alike for me so I wouldnt be keeping Marchbank especially if Ben McKay was on the way in.
I'd be keeping Silvagni.
I'd even be keeping Marchbank.
We have enough blokes who we should look at cutting first IMO.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - kruddler - 07-17-2023
(07-17-2023, 09:40 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Kemp, McGovern and Marchbank are too alike for me so I wouldnt be keeping Marchbank especially if Ben McKay was on the way in.
Too alike....perhaps....but better than any 18yo kid coming in.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - DJC - 07-17-2023
(07-17-2023, 09:40 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Kemp, McGovern and Marchbank are too alike for me so I wouldnt be keeping Marchbank especially if Ben McKay was on the way in.
I’d say that they have very different skill sets, although Kemp and McGovern both have the ability to compete in the air with taller opponents, and both can play as forwards if required. Kemp is harder at the contest and has the step and toe to break the lines.
Marchbank’s go is reading the play and taking intercept marks. He doesn’t have the physicality of Kemp or the hops of McGovern.
McGovern’s form, and the improvement in our defence when he’s in the mix, provides a solid case for an extension. I don’t buy the scuttlebut about no other clubs being interested but it seems that his preference is to stay in navy blue … and why wouldn’t that be the case?
Marchbank is a conundrum. His best footy is very good, but can he stay on the park? Do we persevere or cut our losses? I’d be inclined to keep him on to see if we can recoup some of our investment in him over several seasons.
I can’t see how we’d have any interest in Ben McKay, or the means to get him across.
What does all of that mean for Plowman? I’d move him to the rookie list as depth and to continue to stiffen up our VFL backline.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-17-2023
(07-17-2023, 10:57 AM)DJC link Wrote:I’d say that they have very different skill sets, although Kemp and McGovern both have the ability to compete in the air with taller opponents, and both can play as forwards if required. Kemp is harder at the contest and has the step and toe to break the lines.Ben Mckay is a free agent so its about the money only, it was Cal Twomey from memory who said there was no interest in McGovern from other clubs and he usually gets good info on player movements. Youngs loss of form and physicality has probably garnered some interest in Ben Mckay, there is only Sam Durdin in reserve in terms of tall KP specialists defenders and if we lost Weitering we would be very vulnerable. Im no fan of any mega deals for Ben Mckay and dont rate him highly.
Marchbank’s go is reading the play and taking intercept marks. He doesn’t have the physicality of Kemp or the hops of McGovern.
McGovern’s form, and the improvement in our defence when he’s in the mix, provides a solid case for an extension. I don’t buy the scuttlebut about no other clubs being interested but it seems that his preference is to stay in navy blue … and why wouldn’t that be the case?
Marchbank is a conundrum. His best footy is very good, but can he stay on the park? Do we persevere or cut our losses? I’d be inclined to keep him on to see if we can recoup some of our investment in him over several seasons.
I can’t see how we’d have any interest in Ben McKay, or the means to get him across.
What does all of that mean for Plowman? I’d move him to the rookie list as depth and to continue to stiffen up our VFL backline.
Cant see Plowman being retained, watched him and Marchbank play together a while back and both looked very slow.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - DJC - 07-17-2023
(07-16-2023, 11:36 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Not a fan of Boyd and I want to see Cowan in the team and getting experience.
The latter is a good kick too and has more flair and upside. Boyd is a Joe average VFL player imo and I just don't see what others see in him unlike Cowan who I think is a terrific prospect for the future.
Cincotta has Cowan’s spot, not Boyd.
Boyd is a small defender with the speed and agility to go with most small forwards. He can also compete against taller opponents but he’s in the team because he can drill passes (most of the time) and break the lines. He also seems to be the sort of annoying defender that opponents like to belt. If I remember correctly, Toby Greene was one forward who felt the need to belt Boyd … and give us an advantage.
Cowan has had a taste of AFL footy and is thriving in the VFL. He’s a long term prospect who deserves careful development. However, it’s pretty clear that our current group of defenders, with Kemp, Cincotta and Boyd, is working more effectively than the defensive rotation we went with earlier in the season.
There’s a lot of water still to flow under the bridge but I think that Curly’s boy has nailed a relatively rare state league selection with Boyd.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LP - 07-17-2023
(07-17-2023, 11:54 AM)DJC date Wrote:There’s a lot of water still to flow under the bridge but I think that Curly’s boy has nailed a relatively rare state league selection with Boyd.Yep, got to give Boyd credit, even when things weren't going so well he looked to be improving with every game.
Still has the odd bad disposal, one I recall from last weekend was Barry Crocker, but generally he's above average for our squad and despite his relatively small stature he attacks the footy without hesitation. That is about all we can ask for a small defender.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - DJC - 07-17-2023
(07-16-2023, 07:51 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Besides his tapwork, his best attribute is his aggression. As good as our big men are, none of them really have any aggression in them naturally. Jack is probably the best of the rest, but Harry, Charlie, Weiters, Young, TDK....don't have that aggression that you want from a big man. Our mids walk taller when Pitto is around.
Do you really believe that?
Pitto is one of the least aggressive big men going around and our midfielders don’t need him to “walk tall”.
We may not have snipers or thugs but we have more than our share of players who don’t take a backward step in the face of opposition aggression and quite a few who don’t mind dishing it out.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - kruddler - 07-17-2023
(07-17-2023, 01:13 PM)DJC link Wrote:Do you really believe that?
Pitto is one of the least aggressive big men going around and our midfielders don’t need him to “walk tall”.
We may not have snipers or thugs but we have more than our share of players who don’t take a backward step in the face of opposition aggression and quite a few who don’t mind dishing it out.
I think we'll agree to disagree on this one.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LP - 07-18-2023
Pitto and SoJ - The Enforcer Twins! ;D
Mumford and Nankervis must be shaking in their boots, wouldn't want to be them!
Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 07-18-2023
(07-18-2023, 12:52 AM)LP link Wrote:Pitto and SoJ - The Enforcer Twins! ;DAnd do you think SOS or Pitto would be scared of those to Muppets? Yeah right.
Mumford and Nankervis must be shaking in their boots, wouldn't want to be them!