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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - RiverRat - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 01:16 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Just watched the game again. Talk about no defensive IQ; talk about no respect for the defensive aspect of the game.
I was struck by the room the Kanga forwards had in which to isolate themselves against solitary defenders to prevent them supporting each other.
After half time, the defenders were powerless to defend against forwards who had so much space and attackers who could deliver the ball in the face of zero pressure.
As good a player as he HASBEEN, I thought we were in big trouble when Murphy was listed as the medical sub.
Without Eddie to chase everything and everyone around the forward line, the lack of desire (or pace) to chase (Cripps, Kennedy, Martin, Owies, Dow) allowed the Kangas to run unmolested out of our forward line.
As for SPS - he had one of his better games as a midfielder/forward and does have the speed to chase but he rarely does - too often, when an opponent wins the ball, he strolls along behind and allows the opponent to get further ahead with every stride - my guess is that he trains at half pace and shows off his skills then plays the way he trains and has to make a concerted effort to actually run fast
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - LP - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 01:40 AM)RiverRat date Wrote:As good a player as he HASBEEN, I thought we were in big trouble when Murphy was listed as the medical sub.Yes, agree on these points.
Without Eddie to chase everything and everyone around the forward line, the lack of desire (or pace) to chase (Cripps, Kennedy, Martin, Owies, Dow) allowed the Kangas to run unmolested out of our forward line.
On the first point, if sMurph can't be selected outright then it suggests the MC had already given up on the season. Perhaps BigH is out for more than a week, we'll find out.
On the second, I thought Owies was OK, ran deep the full length of the field but was frequently left outnumbered as team-mates failed to get back to help. What may be even worse is that as a midfield Norp aren't fast, we were basically destroyed by one player running off the back of the square. Hall did it the whole game and nobody was willing to go with him or check his run. But this may be a sign that when Cripps is in the midfield the attitudes or tactics change for the worse. Last week we were much much better despite not always being first to the football, but yesterday there was hesitation, we were back watching Cripps hunt the footy instead of cracking in and tackling. To me this is a losing tactic we've developed and retained since the days of Judd.
But those missed set shots must be demoralising, too many of them diminished the return from generating so many valid opportunities, it has an impact. We should have been 3, 4 or 5 goals up, not 4 pts.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - laj - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 01:25 AM)shawny link Wrote:Absolutely spot on. The ones we miss imo is Harry Doc Cunningham and Pit the rest are in and out of the senior team or vfl grade. Our injury list is long but the quality of players out is not strong.Missed the most important player, Charlie.
You watch next week when eddie (his last year) and Williams (who has done sfa) miss they will be used to to the why saints beat us.
You watch.
Important was of yesterday is that the structure were hurt. Even Casboult out of form takes a man and is very useful in the ruck. The structure is important as the player missing
Williams has been alot better since he was put in his right position.
Having said that, when you give up like we did you could have a super side and you'd still lose.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - Professer E - 07-25-2021
Murphy encapsulates the issues with the club and it's culture.
On one hand you have loyalty, rewarding a player for service etc. It's nice to see a long standing servant of the club reach a very significant milestone.
On the other hand you have a bloke who clearly played on too long, and can't contribute in a meaningful manner on game day. So why is he being played?
At some clubs he'd be left in the twos as part of a ruthless culture of winning.
I don't know the answer, I think you're in either camp and both viewpoints are valid.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - laj - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 01:16 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Just watched the game again. Talk about no defensive IQ; talk about no respect for the defensive aspect of the game. It was as if we turned back the clock to pre bye performances... the old one-way thinking and strategy - only offense matters.
Taking Kennedy out of the midfield was a huge mistake. He's been the bull in there since the bye. Should have looked at other options to support the forward line.
You watched the game again?....lol.
Our mids seem to perform better when Cripps isn't there. Blokes that can play midfield and do well there but struggle in other places. We lose so much then. Maybe Cripps can play more forward with less runs in the midfield. just throwing up ideas. The likes of Kennedy and Dow have to play midfield otherwise we lose so much if they play elsewhere.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - madbluboy - 07-25-2021
I agree with that on Cripps.
Young Cripps was an extractor, win the ball and give it off.
This version tries to break 3 tackles and usually stuff it up. That pisses team mates off.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - flyboy77 - 07-25-2021
(07-25-2021, 01:40 AM)RiverRat link Wrote:I was struck by the room the Kanga forwards had in which to isolate themselves against solitary defenders to prevent them supporting each other.
After half time, the defenders were powerless to defend against forwards who had so much space and attackers who could deliver the ball in the face of zero pressure.
As good a player as he HASBEEN, I thought we were in big trouble when Murphy was listed as the medical sub.
Without Eddie to chase everything and everyone around the forward line, the lack of desire (or pace) to chase (Cripps, Kennedy, Martin, Owies, Dow) allowed the Kangas to run unmolested out of our forward line.
As for SPS - he had one of his better games as a midfielder/forward and does have the speed to chase but he rarely does - too often, when an opponent wins the ball, he strolls along behind and allows the opponent to get further ahead with every stride - my guess is that he trains at half pace and shows off his skills then plays the way he trains and has to make a concerted effort to actually run fast
Summation.
We have a coach who's a nice guy, but way too soft/forgiving.
(without even looking at his ability to plan/strategize how to defeat an opponent)
Teague must go. He's not going to get us to finals, let alone a flag.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - PaulP - 07-25-2021
Teague's record in his first 40 odd games compares favourably with Clarkson, Hardwick and others, at the equivalent stage of their careers. Unless he can magically heal the sick or make players grow 10 or 15cm before the first bounce, not sure what he's supposed to do. The adjustments he made with the team at his disposal seemed reasonable to me. The mids were kicking to a bunch of midgets, and consequently had to lower their eyes and kick low into the F50, which means that pinpoint kicking is required, otherwise low kicks are easy to pick off by the opposition. Which is exactly what happened last night. Too many turnovers, player behind the ball out of position, easy goals to North.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - Gointocarlton - 07-25-2021
(07-24-2021, 11:41 PM)kruddler link Wrote:Firstly, 95% of the people knew we would lose yesterday? BS. Everyone was arguing against me for suggesting it was even possible.Easy on the patronising comments Coach.
Secondly, correlation does not equal causation. You look at the end result - poor performance - and assume the same reason for it. That is your problem and the problem from the club as a whole over the past 2 decades.
Poor performance? - Sack the coach.
Poor performance? - Sack the coach
etc.
How about looking at it this way....
Poor performance under Brittain = Injuries
Poor performance under Pagan = Lost the players
Poor performance under Ratten = Injuries
Poor performance under Malthouse = fractured club
Poor performance under Bolton = lost the players
Poor performance under Teague = Injuries.
One thing Teague has been able to do is become competitive in our on-field performances. When he first took over, he had a youngish, inexperienced list with some aging stars. Now those kids are starting to come good and we can't field a side. It was only our competitiveness that has allowed us to put in an acceptable behaviour the last couple weeks. To be fair, this result should've occurred 3 weeks ago.
What is being said now is the same thing that was being said at the halfway point. Then, as predicted, we started playing some easier opposition and had players available and the wins 'miraculously' came. Now we have been hit by more injuries (and to key personnel) and our performances start to struggle again.
Its not rocket science guys.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne - Macca37 - 07-25-2021
(07-24-2021, 10:29 PM)kruddler link Wrote:So you choose an arbitrary time that we should be able to match it with them until we are blown away (the first quarter) which would be somewhat acceptable. We stay with them for longer than that.....and you complain?
Interesting logic there. Bit backwards if you ask me.
Re injured during half time break....
Not really true. Williams got.injured in the last minute of the first half. I noticed it at the time. He was subbed out at half time.
Eddie betts got injured late in the 2nd quarter. Had Williams not been injured betts wouldve been subbed out imo. He did nothing for the rest of the game and couldn't walk afterwards.
So that's 2. Enough to make a difference.
TBH, when I saw eddies ankle I thought to myself this might be the last time we see him in navy blue...ever. I don't think he'll play next week.
As for why we dropped our bundle...perhaps the above 2 were simply the straw that broke the camels back. You can only deal with so many hits before it all catches up with you. I thought Harry the out was the final straw. I was surprised how well we held up last week, and the week before....but north were on the ball and could smell blood and put in 4 quarters unlike the last 2 opponents.
According to your logic, injuries caused us to drop our bundle at the beginning of the third quarter, resulting in North kicking 7 goals to none.
How then, with the same injuries, were we able to kick 6 goals in the last quarter?
I still believe that poor leadership combined with a poor list and the inability to concentrate for 4 quarters are our main problems.