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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - rocky - 05-10-2021
For what it's worth.
I'd make the obvious choice of TDK for Levi. That is a no-brainer so even our selection team couldn't stuff that one up.
I'm thinking we could also bring Newman back after 2 solid hit-outs in the magoos. Play him at HBF and release Saad to a wing? That would mean either Cottrell or Newnes comes out. I think Cottrell at least has a bit more pace so Newnes makes way.
Gibbons comes out for Honey who has a bit of speed, more height and can take a grab.
Jack is out and I would seriously bring back Dow, who shouldn't have dropped in the first place, and who I think did pretty well in the 2's and am surprised wasn't named in the best. He certainly did more than Durdin, Honey and Williamson. Just on Willo. A shadow of the bloke who looked the goods just a couple of years ago.
SPS makes way for Durdin as the medical sub. Or maybe Murphy if he has to come back.
Don't know what to do with Cripps. He is a liability at the moment but we can't even hide him up forward.
Our 2's are really pretty good. We have depth. Let's use it.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Milhanna13 - 05-10-2021
(05-10-2021, 01:53 AM)laj link Wrote:My fault. I looked up the live ladder when 27pts up so see how close we were to the 8. A couple more goals would've done it. From that moment it was downhill...lol.
Ha!! Done that many a time (why did i go the tolilet then, i knew wicket would fall if i got up....)
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Thryleon - 05-10-2021
I thought newman went off with an elbow on the weekend?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - LP - 05-10-2021
(05-10-2021, 04:50 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:I thought newman went off with an elbow on the weekend?Hurt it early but played on.
Wasn't as effective as his first week back, but the injury might have been an issue.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Lods - 05-10-2021
(05-10-2021, 03:30 AM)LP link Wrote:LOB has looked good at VFL level, why not try him on a wing?
At that level LOB has that extra bit of time and his kicking is impressive.
As we've seen before it's that jump up in speed and pressure that finds him less effective.
Still if he does perform he should get another go.
A couple more games and we should see the start of "try-outs" for a spot on the list next year.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - townsendcalling - 05-10-2021
(05-10-2021, 04:26 AM)rocky link Wrote:Jack is out and I would seriously bring back Dow, who shouldn't have dropped in the first place.
We need to replace like for like with Jack and I think that Matthew Kennedy is the way to go. Can mark overhead, can tackle and can kick straight
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-10-2021
(05-10-2021, 06:41 AM)townsendcalling link Wrote:We need to replace like for like with Jack and I think that Matthew Kennedy is the way to go. Can mark overhead, can tackle and can kick straightI like Matt Kennedy but like LOB I think his papers are stamped.....I'd use Cripps forward more this week, he will have Harmes for company or Oliver
and I think its time to get proactive rather than reactive. Cripps might not be able to kick straight but he will cause matchup issues if he plays forward
and might throw the Dees defense out a bit if someone like Lever has to take him.
Give some more responsibility to one of Dow and Setterfield to take some of Cripps time in the middle and get them to grow their game.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Gointocarlton - 05-10-2021
From Jay Clark in the HS, a breakdown of what happened and when:
How did the disaster play out? Jay Clark takes an in-depth look at each goal and what went wrong for the Blues.
3 MIN 15 SEC REMAINING Q3
Josh Bruce goal
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A Liam Stocker turnover in the middle of the ground was costly as Caleb Daniel found Lachie Hunter all alone with a surgical kick to the forward flank. Hunter, who played on with a broken hand, kicked long to Josh Bruce who outmarked Lachie Plowman 15m from goal.
1 MIN 30 SEC REM Q3
Aaron Naughton goal
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What an effort from the Dogs’ star spearhead. Naughton produced a desperate chase on Adam Saad to force the Blues’ speedster into a kicking error and then took a big pack mark at the top of the goal square from the kick back inside 50m from Easton Wood. It was a strong grab from Naughton who plucked the ball either side of Jacob Weitering and Liam Jones in the marking contest.
15 MIN 20 SEC REM Q4
Lachie Hunter goal
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The Blues were pinned down in their back half when Adam Saad gave away two free kicks. Saad first pushed Lachie McNeil in the back and then caught Lachie Hunter high as the Dogs’ ballwinner swivelled and leant in with his head to draw the high contact 35m from goal. Nice set shot from Hunter to slot his second major.
13 MIN 40 SEC REM Q4
Marcus Bontempelli goal
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The Dogs built this one up from half back where Bailey Dale hit Caleb Daniel with a 50m bullet to the wing. Zaine Cordy and Mitch Hannan linked up on the wing before skipper Marcus Bontempelli took another contested mark at the top of the goal square in front of Liam Jones. Josh Bruce bodied Liam Stocker out of the way so Stocker couldn’t spoil from the side and there was no other aerial support for Jones. Also no Carlton player stood the mark for the Bontempelli set shot from point blank range.
7 MIN 40 SEC REM Q4
Aaron Naughton goal
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A loopy kick from Michael Gibbons on the wing was quickly repelled as Marcus Bontempelli off two steps produced a dazzling pass to Jason Johannisen tight on the boundary line. Johannisen then kicked to the advantage of Naughton who was too strong for Matthew Parks over the back in a one-on-one marking contest. The 35m set shot continued the Dogs’ hot run.
6 MIN 50 SEC REM Q4
Anthony Scott goal
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Adam Treloar fought hard inside the centre square to continue the annihilation out of the middle. Jack Macrae showed great vision to find Caleb Daniel with another brilliant Bulldogs’ handpass to set up Taylor Duryea 10m in front of Liam Stocker on the forward flank. Lachie McNeil roved the long kick in off the back of the pack and unselfishly handballed to Anthony Scott who goaled from close in on the run. The Carlton back line was under siege.
5 MIN 50 SEC REM Q4
Josh Bruce goal
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Marc Pittonet grabbed it out of the ruck and kicked long but Caleb Daniel continued his excellent second half with a one-handed intercept mark. Patrick Lipinski, Bailey Smith and Anthony Scott then burned off their Carlton opponents spreading hard to the edges of the Marvel Stadium turf to bring the ball forward. Josh Bruce had no opponent in the forward pocket and finished the play with a curling left foot snap.
1 MIN 55 SEC REM Q4
Patrick Lipinski goal
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The Dogs went the full length of the ground for their eighth-straight goal. Josh Bruce took the crucial contested mark on the wing, making Liam Jones pay for going the mark instead of a spoil from behind. Ruckman Jordon Sweet won a contested ball at ground level to release Marcus Bontempelli who delivered another gem of a pass on the left foot to hit Patrick Lipinski in space deep in attack.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - PaulP - 05-10-2021
The fact that we were run down in the last quarter and a bit like so much Navy Blue roadkill should not obscure the fact that for almost 3 quarters we had the measure of what is indisputably superior opposition. It took their best player (and arguably best or 2nd best in the comp) giving the best individual performance of anyone this season to ignite them.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - kruddler - 05-10-2021
(05-09-2021, 10:23 AM)shawny link Wrote:Give me 5 occasions where pit tapped the ball to put mids clear advantage. Just 5 is all I’m asking for. Give me the quarter and the time. Issue is youHitouts win rate
can’t do it cause it didn’t happen.
Taps without ‘to advantage’ is rubbish talk.
Spin it anyway you want, they had their starting ruck and their backup ruck both out and out guy was still unable to give our mids any tap to advantage.
He is miles off AFL Standard and this is the 2nd week he has a unknown kid as an opponent and he failed to assist us.
Sorry but I call it as I see it not as the stats tell me.
I know you like him and that’s fine- he does compete hard at ground level gives but he is miles off the standard as a tap ruckman - miles off it.
Our mids have to fight and slog it out for every possession they win in the middle. Be nice if they got a few easy takeaways like most other mids receive but it won’t happen till TDK comes in.
Pittonet - 50.8
Sweet - 25
Hitouts to advantage
Pittonet - 8
Sweet - 4
Hitout to advantage rate
Pittonet - 24.2
Sweet - 23.5
So he got his hand to the ball more.
When he did get his hand to the ball he found a teammate as often as Sweet did when he got his hand to the ball. That is, they were equally effective finding a teammate when they got their hand to the ball......but Pittonet did it more often, and thus had more 'to advantage' than Sweet.
So stats are clear as day.
I like him, but i'm not suggesting he is an elite ruck across the board.
However, as far as tap work. Last year he was listed as 'Elite'.
This year he is listed as 'above average'.
You know what, i'll take that. Thats why i stick up for him when someone calls for his head because his stats are not as bad as the 'supporters' are making out. Quite the opposite in fact.