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Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - PaulP - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 08:24 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Thats just an excuse for defenders who don't know how to defend and we are full to pussy's bow of them. Midfield dominance isn't a new thing, ball has been streaming down the ground for eons, once upon a time there were (and we had plenty of them) defenders who could read the play coming their way and they could position themselves to get a fist in or heaven forbid, mark the thing. Like our team in general, our defenders are often asleep at the wheel because they thinking about more than beating, or stopping, their opponent. The good defenders don't worry about cheap possessions or getting involved in an attacking chain, they worry about making sure their man doesn't get a kick or has a very tough day at the office. I watched Plowman live last week and he was deadset asleep giving his opponent meters every single time. You can't see it on TV, it happens way before the cameras capture the ball about to be marked by the fwd. I understand team defence and mids have to do more when they don't have the footy, but as Bill Belichick says, "do your job". Plowman, SPS, Doc just don't do theirs way too often.
If you look at the numbers, and you look at Champion Data, the imputation is quite clear that the defensive problems are further up the ground. Plowman won't be dropped for the Freo game, and you have to ask why. Betts is being touted as an "in" and you have to ask why. Just my 2 cents.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - Gointocarlton - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 08:35 AM)PaulP link Wrote:If you look at the numbers, and you look at Champion Data, the imputation is quite clear that the defensive problems are further up the ground. Plowman won't be dropped for the Freo game, and you have to ask why. Betts is being touted as an "in" and you have to ask why. Just my 2 cents.Matthew Lloyd going through exactly what I posted on FC now!
He has defenders that are winners, losers and jury is out
Winners (smart defenders who coped with rule changes)
Howe
Grimes
Moore
May
Losers (poor defenders who didn't cope with rule changes)
Plowman
Davis
Kolodjashnij
Gardner
Hartigan
Jury's Out (50/50)
Alir
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - PaulP - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 11:53 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Matthew Lloyd going through exactly what I posted on FC now!
He has defenders that are winners, losers and jury is out
Winners (smart defenders who coped with rule changes)
Howe
Grimes
Moore
May
Losers (poor defenders who didn't cope with rule changes)
Plowman
Davis
Kolodjashnij
Gardner
Hartigan
Jury's Out (50/50)
Alir
This argument is becoming rather formless and shapeless, and I don't really know what exactly we're discussing. Are are discussing whole careers, this season, just the R2 game etc. ?
Lloyd's statement linking what he sees as poor form with "coping / not coping with rule changes" is bizarre. Other than just creative licence designed to stir the pot, I can't see how he would make that claim. There are many on here who will tell you that Plowman was crap the minute he walked in the door, so the rule changes should not make a difference.
I'd be very keen to see the midfield and forward pressure numbers for the "winners" category. I would bet London to a brick that the pressure numbers for those teams would be higher than ours.
I'm not suggesting Plowman is a gun or free from all blame. But the amount of crap he cops is out of proportion to the reality.
We should just agree to disagree and move on.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - PaulP - 03-31-2021
We're drifting off topic here, but Plowman's output compares favourably with both Darcy Moore and Dylan Grimes :
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=4&playerStatus2=A&tid2=15&type=A&pid1=3797&pid2=3383&fid1=C&fid2=C
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=4&playerStatus2=A&tid2=5&type=A&pid1=3797&pid2=4023&fid1=C&fid2=C
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - LP - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 08:37 PM)PaulP date Wrote:We're drifting off topic here, but Plowman's output compares favourably with both Darcy Moore and Dylan Grimes :Yep he's not bad like the fans make out, but his last two games were a bit ordinary, then again at least half his team-mates can raise a hand to that one!
A few big impacts for us this season, quite a few kids, new look team, lost experience, no many runners, and we do not have a self-coaching list strong in natural footballers!
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - PaulP - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 09:02 PM)LP link Wrote:Yep he's not bad like the fans make out, but his last two games were a bit ordinary, then again at least half his team-mates can raise a hand to that one!
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I'd say pretty much the entire team has been patchy - some good passages of play, and some awful. When and if we tighten up the defensive structures, without sacrificing too much attacking flair, we will see better outcomes. But those defensive issues definitely need urgent rectification.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - LP - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 09:15 PM)PaulP date Wrote:I'd say pretty much the entire team has been patchy - some good passages of play, and some awful. When and if we tighten up the defensive structures, without sacrificing too much attacking flair, we will see better outcomes. But those defensive issues definitely need urgent rectification.As long as fans realise they can't really demand more from the D50 crew outside of being cleaner with the football. Like yourself I see the lack of pressure on transition primarily as a failing of our midfield and forwards.
But I fear when most fans read we need to improve defence they think of Jones, SPS and Plowman, especially this season! They'll come good, when the opposition no longer have free reign through the corridor, we only have to slow the opposition marginally and our guys in D50 will then have time to close the gap! I'm afraid at the moment, when playing against Carlton, there is an attacking turnover superhighway right through the middle of the ground available to the opposition 24x7!
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 08:37 PM)PaulP link Wrote:We're drifting off topic here, but Plowman's output compares favourably with both Darcy Moore and Dylan Grimes :Those stats don't tell you how many goals he gives away or how he gets beat up in one on one's. We all have seen it and now the media have seen it and other teams will continue to isolate him and play through his man IMHO.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=4&playerStatus2=A&tid2=15&type=A&pid1=3797&pid2=3383&fid1=C&fid2=C
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=4&playerStatus2=A&tid2=5&type=A&pid1=3797&pid2=4023&fid1=C&fid2=C
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - capcom - 03-31-2021
Plowman can be reliable ... at times ... but he's slow off the mark. Last week, he failed to see hand signals coming upfield (e.g. Martin to Riewoldt) and left flat footed, easily beaten.
You MUST watch opponent's feet and at the right moment. And yes, it's not entirely his fault, but he has to take some blame.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - LP - 03-31-2021
(03-31-2021, 10:11 PM)capcom date Wrote:Plowman can be reliable ... at times ... but he's slow off the mark. Last week, he failed to see hand signals coming upfield (e.g. Martin to Riewoldt) and left flat footed, easily beaten.What if you are left watching two or three pairs of feet, because your mids and forwards hang outside D50 waiting for a cheap possession?
You MUST watch opponent's feet and at the right moment. And yes, it's not entirely his fault, but he has to take some blame.