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Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - laj - 06-01-2019
If there's a game style we can play pretty well, when switched on, is locking down the other side. Essendon, being a pile of outside free runners, struggle with this type of game. One reason we have a good record over them. Reckon we win this one as i think we will be up for it.
Said that last week too but i'll have another crack at picking a win. This will be it!
Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - crashlander - 06-01-2019
CARLTON
B: Caleb Marchbank, Levi Casboult, Liam Stocker
HB: Lachie Plowman, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
C: Michael Gibbons, Patrick Cripps, David Cuningham
HF: Jack Silvagni, Harry McKay, Sam Walsh
F: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Charlie Curnow, Zac Fisher
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Matthew Kennedy, Ed Curnow
Int: Alex Fasolo, Darcy Lang, Paddy Dow, Will Setterfield
EMG: Jarrod Garlett, Patrick Kerr, Angus Schumacher, Cameron Polson
IN: Alex Fasolo, Darcy Lang, Will Setterfield
OUT: Kade Simpson (Managed), Dale Thomas (Omitted), Mitch McGovern (Injured)
I wouldn't have played Fasolo, Lang or Setterfield, but ...
ESSENDON
B: Aaron Francis, Cale Hooker, Michael Hurley
HB: Conor McKenna, Patrick Ambrose, Adam Saad
C: Mason Redman, Zach Merrett, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti
HF: David Zaharakis, Jayden Laverde, Josh Begley
F: Darcy Parish, Shaun McKernan, Andrew McGrath
R: Tom Bellchambers, Kyle Langford, Dyson Heppell
Int: Ben McNiece, Matt Guelfi, Dylan Clarke, Mark Baguley
EMG: Jordan Ridley, Zac Clarke, Mitch Brown, Irving Mosquito
IN: Dylan Clarke, Mark Baguley
OUT: Jake Stringer (Injured), Dylan Shiel (Injured)
Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - Thryleon - 06-01-2019
(06-01-2019, 01:24 AM)kruddler link Wrote:SPS and McKay have been the only ones to rival Cripps for BOG so far this year. (Freo game aside where Cripps was soundly beaten)
I think Curnow is due for a solid performance.
I'm not sure any of the more lightly framed kids are capable of that at this stage of their career.
Jacob weitering and David Cunningham are the other two.
Take note people wanting Bolton sacked. 4 years is when players really settle into their careers.
The other is young zach Fisher who is the other one who's playing well beyond his years.
Where our disappointment lies??
Kreuzer, Simpson, Murphy, ed curnow all look like they've run their race at afl level this season.
It's the number 1 reason we struggle and aside from ed curnow you can't argue they're playing roles they shouldn't be.
I'll give kreuzer a pass but once again him breaking down cost us a match vs Hawthorn.
Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - kruddler - 06-01-2019
(06-01-2019, 02:26 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Jacob weitering and David Cunningham are the other two.
Take note people wanting Bolton sacked. 4 years is when players really settle into their careers.
The other is young zach Fisher who is the other one who's playing well beyond his years.
Where our disappointment lies??
Kreuzer, Simpson, Murphy, ed curnow all look like they've run their race at afl level this season.
It's the number 1 reason we struggle and aside from ed curnow you can't argue they're playing roles they shouldn't be.
I'll give kreuzer a pass but once again him breaking down cost us a match vs Hawthorn.
I made a point earlier in the year when people were screaming about where is our development.
I pointed to the bests of years past and of this season.
Results wise, its hard to see improvement.
Performance wise, the kids are the ones playing well and its the senior players that have dropped off and no longer pulling their weight.
Murphy the obvious one.
Even the evergreen Simpson has been poor by his lofty standards.
Ed has been largely disappointing
Kreuzer is a shadow of his former self, largely due to the injuries catching up with him.
Casboult has been pushed out of the side, mostly, and is getting a game due to injuries at the other end of the ground.
Daisy is about the only exception....and obviously his recent issue doesn't help.
The kids are starting to step up...the more patient we are, the more kids will step up as they get more experienced. Will it be enough? Time will tell.
Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - Gointocarlton - 06-01-2019
(06-01-2019, 02:17 AM)crashlander link Wrote:CARLTONCheats players we have to be very wary of. We have no one that can stop AMT (legally ;D), he will run amok if we arent careful.
B: Caleb Marchbank, Levi Casboult, Liam Stocker
HB: Lachie Plowman, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
C: Michael Gibbons, Patrick Cripps, David Cuningham
HF: Jack Silvagni, Harry McKay, Sam Walsh
F: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Charlie Curnow, Zac Fisher
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Matthew Kennedy, Ed Curnow
Int: Alex Fasolo, Darcy Lang, Paddy Dow, Will Setterfield
EMG: Jarrod Garlett, Patrick Kerr, Angus Schumacher, Cameron Polson
IN: Alex Fasolo, Darcy Lang, Will Setterfield
OUT: Kade Simpson (Managed), Dale Thomas (Omitted), Mitch McGovern (Injured)
I wouldn't have played Fasolo, Lang or Setterfield, but ...
ESSENDON
B: Aaron Francis, Cale Hooker, Michael Hurley
HB: Conor McKenna, Patrick Ambrose, Adam Saad
C: Mason Redman, Zach Merrett, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti
HF: David Zaharakis, Jayden Laverde, Josh Begley
F: Darcy Parish, Shaun McKernan, Andrew McGrath
R: Tom Bellchambers, Kyle Langford, Dyson Heppell
Int: Ben McNiece, Matt Guelfi, Dylan Clarke, Mark Baguley
EMG: Jordan Ridley, Zac Clarke, Mitch Brown, Irving Mosquito
IN: Dylan Clarke, Mark Baguley
OUT: Jake Stringer (Injured), Dylan Shiel (Injured)
Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - kruddler - 06-01-2019
I reckon it could be a good matchup if they line up that way with Cunners vs Tippa
Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - Thryleon - 06-01-2019
(06-01-2019, 02:30 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I made a point earlier in the year when people were screaming about where is our development.
I pointed to the bests of years past and of this season.
Results wise, its hard to see improvement.
Performance wise, the kids are the ones playing well and its the senior players that have dropped off and no longer pulling their weight.
Murphy the obvious one.
Even the evergreen Simpson has been poor by his lofty standards.
Ed has been largely disappointing
Kreuzer is a shadow of his former self, largely due to the injuries catching up with him.
Casboult has been pushed out of the side, mostly, and is getting a game due to injuries at the other end of the ground.
Daisy is about the only exception....and obviously his recent issue doesn't help.
The kids are starting to step up...the more patient we are, the more kids will step up as they get more experienced. Will it be enough? Time will tell.
This is precisely why Bolton shouldn't get sacked. We just hired a new fitness guru. He's had one pre season with our blokes. I think our strength and conditioning team has been really poor since justin cordy left us as high performance manager.
It's why we haven't been a true 4 quarter team for 6 years.
The only ones who are bucking that trend are the guys putting in a heap of work off their own bat which is really good for them but it reflects poorly on the club.
We are not maximizing our players careers which is something that we need to improve upon as a footy club.
Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - flyboy77 - 06-01-2019
(06-01-2019, 02:38 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:This is precisely why Bolton shouldn't get sacked. We just hired a new fitness guru. He's had one pre season with our blokes. I think our strength and conditioning team has been really poor since justin cordy left us as high performance manager.
It's why we haven't been a true 4 quarter team for 6 years.
The only ones who are bucking that trend are the guys putting in a heap of work off their own bat which is really good for them but it reflects poorly on the club.
We are not maximizing our players careers which is something that we need to improve upon as a footy club.
And none of that is attributable to the senior Coach - is that what you're suggesting?
Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - Lods - 06-01-2019
It's like that snapshot of a moment Kruddler was talking about in the other thread...the Best 22 one.
This is what we're seeing at the moment.
Is it sustainable or just a teasing glimpse.
Weitering is playing good football early this season.
Will he be playing the same football this time next year?
SPS has had one standout game this year but has been inconsistent.
Cunningham is having a better season.
Will he continue to improve and establish himself as a permanent member of the team?
I don't think Zac Fisher is having the same impact as he was last year although his stats are probably on a par.
Of course our old players are getting a bit poorer but there's nothing much knocking down the door to push them out of the side.
Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - kruddler - 06-01-2019
(06-01-2019, 02:47 AM)Lods link Wrote:It's like that snapshot of a moment Kruddler was talking about in the other thread...the Best 22 one.
This is what we're seeing at the moment.
Is it sustainable or just a teasing glimpse.
Weitering is playing good football early this season.
Will he be playing the same football this time next year?
SPS has had one standout game this year but has been inconsistent.
Cunningham is having a better season.
Will he continue to improve and establish himself as a permanent member of the team?
I don't think Zac Fisher is having the same impact as he was last year although his stats are probably on a par.
Of course our old players are getting a bit poorer but there's nothing much knocking down the door to push them out of the side.
Its widely accepted that young players need at least 50-100 games to really make it as established footballers. Up until they reach 50, they are still 'in development'.
After Bugg retired in the preseason, we were left with 14 out of 46 players who had played 50 games or more. Now Docherty has been unavailable all season, so its really 13.
From that 13...
Senior players...100+ games, 26yo+
Murphy - has been down on form, and injured
Kreuzer - largely injured
Simpson - down on form and injured
Jones - solid, but now injured
Ed Curnow - poor, being overtaken by kids
Thomas - Solid
Casboult - Already overtaken, getting games due to injuries
Fasolo - Been poor, but in his first year at the club, finding his feet......after being injured
Lobbe - Backup ruckman, been serviceable, but not best 22
Middle bracket players....50-100 games, 24 and under
Cripps - dominating
Weitering - Improving on last years efforts dramatically
Plowman - I think he is underrated, others disagree.
Lang - Getting first crack at it this week
Thats all we had to choose from in the 50+ game bracket at round 1.
Since then we've had a few move into that bracket of playing 50 games....
McGovern - 1st year at the club, hitting the scoreboard. Still learning the ropes.
Charlie - Down on form, but learning new structures with Gov and Harry competing with him. Prior to this year, he'd played 0 games with Gov, and only 12 with Harry.
SPS - His numbers are up. Consistency still lacking a touch, but break out game earlier this year shows he's starting to realise his potential.
...and tomorrow Jack played his 50th
Jack - Been tried in about 10 positions in his 50 games. Finally looking like we've worked it out as a big mid/medium forward. Output has improved over previous years.
Interesting side note...
Marchbank, Fisher and Newman are staples of our side, but are yet to play 50 games. They are still learning!
People forget how inexperienced our side is.
Last week we had half our side with 50 games or less. This week 2 players with 562 games of experience go out of the side.