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Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - blue4life - 07-07-2018
(07-07-2018, 10:33 AM)PaulP link Wrote:It's quite possible that the rebuild is really just scratching the surface. Maybe deep down in the guts, the club isn't really doing the hard yards, because they've never really had to. Player development is a big tell for me. We've never really had to do it, and we still may not be doing it. Certainly looks that way.
We spent the first decade of the draft telling the world that it was a restraint of trade that wouldn't stand up in court, we didn't put any time or resources into it so we never became proficient at it.
We had the same attitude to the salary cap, that it didn't apply to us, and that ended in tears.
It's only in the last couple of years that we've finally realised that our way of doing things no longer worked, but by then we were so far behind the eight ball that what other clubs had done to get off the bottom wouldn't work for us.
So we decided on a ground up rebuild, but we'd never done it before and we are having all sorts of problems getting it right.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - hanwell - 07-07-2018
I reckon Weitering's issues stem back to Jones' revival, you cant play two intercept specialists. Since then the lad has looked lost. Here's an idea, trade out Liam, and potentially resurrect a former number one pick to manage the defence whilst Doc moves into the midfield. He would fit into GC's back six easily.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - LP - 07-07-2018
(07-07-2018, 10:51 AM)blue4life link Wrote:So we decided on a ground up rebuild, but we'd never done it before and we are having all sorts of problems getting it right.
I think many of us get that B4L, but it doesn't explain the lack of passion or sacrifice we see on the field, or the lack of structure!
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - laj - 07-07-2018
(07-07-2018, 10:40 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I'm thinking of clubs like Geelong (Thompson), Pies (Buckley) and Richmond (Hardwick), who figured out if their coach was the right person for the job, and then stuck with him through the tough times, and gave him all the support he needed.
I don't know if Bolton is the right man for the job. But he doesn't have much to work with.
He's had good draftees and sent a few backwards. That excuse works if we finished on 6 wins, even 5, not ONE. We won 7 and 6 games last year and led 7 times in the last qtr last year and lost. Now one win. Some players are at the stage of stepping up to cover for losses to an extent.
They were finals like sides. Geelong and Richmond had been regular finalists before a down year. they were always fighting back regardless. Much different to winning ONE game in a year.
Collingwood has one win against a side in the 8 all year and that was Melbourne. Lost when they've played anyone any good. no side has has a draw open up and be so easy. they still have Richmond, Port, Sydney, West Coast etc to play yet.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - laj - 07-07-2018
(07-07-2018, 10:52 AM)hanwell link Wrote:I reckon Weitering's issues stem back to Jones' revival, you cant play two intercept specialists. Since then the lad has looked lost. Here's an idea, trade out Liam, and potentially resurrect a former number one pick to manage the defence whilst Doc moves into the midfield. He would fit into GC's back six easily.
There's alot in that.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - PaulP - 07-07-2018
(07-07-2018, 10:44 AM)LP link Wrote:Are those examples valid, were they in the same situation, or did they have the actual talent that was being wasted, do we actually have the talent?
Thompson had some talent, as well as Dank and The Weapon but psst, psst! You must not mention that!
Buckley, the jury is out!
Hardwick had an epiphany watching Frozen, and Let it Go! But credit when credit is due, he had to sack a bunch of controlling megalomaniacs to move forward!
If we don't have the talent, why sack the coach ? Won't the next coach have the same problems ? Since 2000, we've had Parkin, Brittain, Pagan, Ratten, Malthouse, Barker and Bolton. That must be close to an AFL/VFL record, even if you take Barker out. And look where we are. And yet people think we should sack Bolton.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - LP - 07-07-2018
(07-07-2018, 10:52 AM)hanwell link Wrote:I reckon Weitering's issues stem back to Jones' revival, you cant play two intercept specialists. Since then the lad has looked lost. Here's an idea, trade out Liam, and potentially resurrect a former number one pick to manage the defence whilst Doc moves into the midfield. He would fit into GC's back six easily.
Why the feck hasn't the club let Jones create his chaos inside F50, instead of bombing the ball long onto Charlie Curnow's head predictably time after time after time?
Put him on the wing, or even the ruck, most of his good football in the VFL before his revival last season came as a result of playing in the ruck under Fraser's tutor-ledge!
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - PaulP - 07-07-2018
(07-07-2018, 10:51 AM)blue4life link Wrote:We spent the first decade of the draft telling the world that it was a restraint of trade that wouldn't stand up in court, we didn't put any time or resources into it so we never became proficient at it.
We had the same attitude to the salary cap, that it didn't apply to us, and that ended in tears.
It's only in the last couple of years that we've finally realised that our way of doing things no longer worked, but by then we were so far behind the eight ball that what other clubs had done to get off the bottom wouldn't work for us.
So we decided on a ground up rebuild, but we'd never done it before and we are having all sorts of problems getting it right.
As far as summaries go, that's not bad.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - Jack Burton - 07-07-2018
I'd happily trade Jones for a half decent midfielder, there's certainly merit in that
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - laj - 07-07-2018
(07-07-2018, 10:56 AM)LP link Wrote:Why the feck hasn't the club let Jones create his chaos inside F50, instead of bombing the ball long onto Charlie Curnow's head predictably time after time after time?
Put him on the wing, or even the ruck, most of his good football in the VFL before his revival last season came as a result of playing in the ruck under Fraser's tutor-ledge!
Yes, that was the case. I enjoyed watching him run around the ground in the ruck taking 1000 marks. Scared the living crap out of the opposition physically. Not only that he become a much better forward too when he went there. These are thing Bolton should be looking at. He's too scared to change. jones defensive role should be Weitering's. He'd play alot better then.