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Re: Reset Rants - Raydan - 05-01-2018
(04-30-2018, 10:38 PM)Lods link Wrote:I'm a little confused about the argument that we should wait until some of these kids make it to 50+ games before we make a firm judgement about them.
... why then have we made judgements and let go so many players that haven't managed that number.
We have not let any player go that we drafted since the Bolton / SOS regime started and that's all I'm concerned with.
Re: Reset Rants - PaulP - 05-01-2018
(05-01-2018, 04:00 AM)Raydan link Wrote:What pressure forwards?
Cunningham was playing off the HBF and wouldn't chase nor tackle, Garlett was playing wing HFF and would not chase or tackle. Why do they get a game again?
If there had not been changes then Bolton would of been criticised for not putting players out who won't put in.
Jed Lamb might have been one of the forwards referred to by mbb. I can't remember exactly what was said in the pre match thread.
Re: Reset Rants - Raydan - 05-01-2018
(05-01-2018, 04:06 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Jed Lamb might have been one of the forwards referred to by mbb. I can't remember exactly what was said in the pre match thread.
Sorry, when someone mentions pressure forwards Jed Lamb does not spring to mind at all
Re: Reset Rants - PaulP - 05-01-2018
(05-01-2018, 04:09 AM)Raydan link Wrote:Sorry, when someone mentions pressure forwards Jed Lamb does not spring to mind at all
No, perhaps not, but I think he may have been mentioned in the pm thread as a person of interest.
Re: Reset Rants - Shakin77 - 05-01-2018
(04-30-2018, 10:38 PM)Lods link Wrote:I'm a little confused about the argument that we should wait until some of these kids make it to 50+ games before we make a firm judgement about them.
... why then have we made judgements and let go so many players that haven't managed that number.
You can make judgements on individual players, however the counter argument is that the kids are no good because the group as a collective is gone backward from 2017.
For me it was a given. Last year our midfield was a major weakness and it batted 3 deep with Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy. E.Curnow next in line (god bless him) is an endurance beast, but a good honest battler. With all three in the middle we were competitive. We just couldn't afford to lose any.
Flash forward to 2018. No Gibbs and No Doc and blokes like SPS in their 21 game of football are in the centre square. Are we expecting SPS to replace Gibbs and his 231 games of experience. Or course not.
So where is the improvement going to come from to replace Gibbs and Doc to at least match last years output? As Raydan pointed out your real improvement comes from those guys who have had 4-5 pre-seasons and our cupboard is bare in this department.
Our young kids will struggle to have a impact in a weak side. Like McCluggage, Ainsworth, Brodie, Bowes etc. All still have the potential to be very good players, but it ain't going to happen 21 games into a career.
So I ask everyone given our outs. What made you think we would be better than 2017?
Re: Reset Rants - madbluboy - 05-01-2018
(05-01-2018, 04:09 AM)Raydan link Wrote:Sorry, when someone mentions pressure forwards Jed Lamb does not spring to mind at all
Do you think Houli knocked him out for shits and giggles?
With the exception of Fisher Garlett chases more than anyone.
Re: Reset Rants - jeza - 05-01-2018
(05-01-2018, 04:09 AM)Raydan link Wrote:Sorry, when someone mentions pressure forwards Jed Lamb does not spring to mind at all
It does for James Sicily.
Re: Reset Rants - jeza - 05-01-2018
(05-01-2018, 04:25 AM)Shakin77 link Wrote:You can make judgements on individual players, however the counter argument is that the kids are no good because the group as a collective is gone backward from 2017.
For me it was a given. Last year our midfield was a major weakness and it batted 3 deep with Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy. E.Curnow next in line (god bless him) is an endurance beast, but a good honest battler. With all three in the middle we were competitive. We just couldn't afford to lose any.
Flash forward to 2018. No Gibbs and No Doc and blokes like SPS in their 21 game of football are in the centre square. Are we expecting SPS to replace Gibbs and his 231 games of experience. Or course not.
So where is the improvement going to come from to replace Gibbs and Doc to at least match last years output? As Raydan pointed out your real improvement comes from those guys who have had 4-5 pre-seasons and our cupboard is bare in this department.
Our young kids will struggle to have a impact in a weak side. Like McCluggage, Ainsworth, Brodie, Bowes etc. All still have the potential to be very good players, but it ain't going to happen 21 games into a career.
So I ask everyone given our outs. What made you think we would be better than 2017?
I still really like Brodie - he's not getting a game at GC as Rischitelli, Miller, Swallow, etc. are playing in his position. I wonder if we could snag him on the cheap at the end of the year - even though he is still under contract?
Re: Reset Rants - Lods - 05-01-2018
(05-01-2018, 04:25 AM)Shakin77 link Wrote:You can make judgements on individual players, however the counter argument is that the kids are no good because the group as a collective is gone backward from 2017.
For me it was a given. Last year our midfield was a major weakness and it batted 3 deep with Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy. E.Curnow next in line (god bless him) is an endurance beast, but a good honest battler. With all three in the middle we were competitive. We just couldn't afford to lose any.
Flash forward to 2018. No Gibbs and No Doc and blokes like SPS in their 21 game of football are in the centre square. Are we expecting SPS to replace Gibbs and his 231 games of experience. Or course not.
So where is the improvement going to come from to replace Gibbs and Doc to at least match last years output? As Raydan pointed out your real improvement comes from those guys who have had 4-5 pre-seasons and our cupboard is bare in this department.
Our young kids will struggle to have a impact in a weak side. Like McCluggage, Ainsworth, Brodie, Bowes etc. All still have the potential to be very good players, but it ain't going to happen 21 games into a career.
So I ask everyone given our outs. What made you think we would be better than 2017?
Murphy wasn't supposed to be missing... and the addition of players like Kennedy and Lang and the drafting of Dow plus an expected improvement in SPS should have given us a close to break even....otherwise Gibbs was some sort of super player.
Now fates have conspired against us...but lets assume down the track, towards the end of the season, we have all these players fit and available.
We should have a better mid-field.
Docherty's the bigger loss....I suspect he would probably have spent some more time in the mid-field...but what we really miss is his setting up attacks from the half back. It would have been the key to the more attacking game plan.... and the fact we tried that without his contribution was brave but obviously not very successful.
Re: Reset Rants - LP - 05-01-2018
(05-01-2018, 04:32 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:With the exception of Fisher Garlett chases more than anyone.
Right at the moment Garlett is a bit selective when it comes time to chase.
(05-01-2018, 04:52 AM)jeza link Wrote:I still really like Brodie - he's not getting a game at GC as Rischitelli, Miller, Swallow, etc. are playing in his position. I wonder if we could snag him on the cheap at the end of the year - even though he is still under contract?
He's been injured, and they are in no rush to cook the talent!