(02-07-2018, 12:52 PM)mateinone link Wrote:Nobody can ever justify the recruitment of Daisy and the money he has been paid. It has been an atrocious recruitment from the club, one of the very worst ever. That isn't saying Daisy doesn't try, it isn't saying that he isn't a role model, it isn't addressing any of those things. It is a simple fact that if one of your top 2-3 paid players isn't in the 10 most effective  players at your club, you have made a horrible mistake. That top coin is meant to be for superstars, plain and simple. They should have the qualities Daisy is said to have AND be great footballers. Remember he was paid Dangerfield like cash.

If we wanted just good blokes we would have implored Armfield to keep going, by all reports he is a ripper of a bloke and bust his nut to help others.

Whilst it is great for someone to be a mentor or good bloke, it isn't enough for a highly paid player

(02-07-2018, 11:01 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:With you MIO, quite frankly the only reason he remains on the list imo is because of the dollars wasted by the Club in recruiting him....

(02-07-2018, 11:27 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I'm confused (not hard to do). Didn't his contract expire last year and he was given an 1yr extension? They could have given him the flick last year correct? If your assessment is correct, given how ruthless SOS with list management, he would not have been there this year IMO.

(02-08-2018, 12:29 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Cotchin, Rance and Riewoldt wouldnt be my idea of a great leadership group but thats a premiership leadership group.....Cotchin became a sniper and the other two are bozo's IMO.
Maybe great leadership in football is overrated.....or maybe as in Hawthorns case with Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Burgoyne etc its more valuable for a long cycle of success but not so important for a one off premiership. ie Richmond, Bulldogs...

(02-07-2018, 11:27 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I'm confused (not hard to do). Didn't his contract expire last year and he was given an 1yr extension? They could have given him the flick last year correct? If your assessment is correct, given how ruthless SOS with list management, he would not have been there this year IMO.

(02-07-2018, 11:40 PM)PaulP link Wrote:http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dale-thomas-has-done-enough-to-play-on-says-marc-murphy-20170823-gy2uny.html

An old story, but the clause that guaranteed him a 5th season (2018) was dropped by Daisy, so he earned an extra season on merit.

Having seen plenty of Bolton's pressers and other interviews etc., there's little doubt in my mind that Bolts likes Daisy and likes having him around.

(02-07-2018, 08:51 AM)PaulP link Wrote:The point is though, those sorts of qualities are not the sole preserve of highly paid, contentious, injury scarred recruits - you can get players with those sorts of qualities without going down the Daisy road.

(02-07-2018, 12:52 PM)mateinone link Wrote:Nobody can ever justify the recruitment of Daisy and the money he has been paid. It has been an atrocious recruitment from the club, one of the very worst ever. That isn't saying Daisy doesn't try, it isn't saying that he isn't a role model, it isn't addressing any of those things. It is a simple fact that if one of your top 2-3 paid players isn't in the 10 most effective  players at your club, you have made a horrible mistake. That top coin is meant to be for superstars, plain and simple. They should have the qualities Daisy is said to have AND be great footballers. Remember he was paid Dangerfield like cash.

If we wanted just good blokes we would have implored Armfield to keep going, by all reports he is a ripper of a bloke and bust his nut to help others.

Whilst it is great for someone to be a mentor or good bloke, it isn't enough for a highly paid player

(02-07-2018, 11:01 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:With you MIO, quite frankly the only reason he remains on the list imo is because of the dollars wasted by the Club in recruiting him....

(02-07-2018, 01:24 PM)Amers link Wrote:While Daisy is the topic of discussion, I thought I would throw this in here, a snippet from a training report (source BF) from earlier this week, while over in Tassie....

So to the highlights/lowlights
OK I'm just gonna get it out of the way....3 votes D Thomas...the only caveat being it is a big ground and no stands to get an elevated view so if I missed an on baller running rampant I humbly apologise but don't think I did.
- When the game started it was the Best 22 vs the rest and it was also clear that some players went back to just bombing the ball fwd to a pack rather than the drill they'd just done...I can see why Bolts picks Daisy, for all his limitations, he's smart - he moved into the space he was supposed to be in, he weighed his options, presented as a hit up HFF and did 2 kicks, whilst not blind they were long centred ones over the traffic from one HFF to the other (and there is no way he had time to see that option in congestion) to where the fwds and mids were were supposed to be streaming into...and guess what they were and got easy goals...does it translate to match day - I dunno but he's playing/training the way Bolton is drilling.

(02-07-2018, 10:27 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Harsh. I could name at least 10 that were 10 times worse IMO, but lets not go over all ground and railroad another thread. This is about leadership and from all reports within the club, Daisy provides it spades even if he isnt officially part of the leadership group. When Bolts came along, he talked about developing leadership density. I think this is progressing nicely and is reflected in A. the size of the group and the eventual passing of the baton to the younger blokes and B. SOS's recruitment of players with leadership qualities as well as football nous.

(02-07-2018, 11:40 PM)PaulP link Wrote:http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dale-thomas-has-done-enough-to-play-on-says-marc-murphy-20170823-gy2uny.html

An old story, but the clause that guaranteed him a 5th season (2018) was dropped by Daisy, so he earned an extra season on merit.

Having seen plenty of Bolton's pressers and other interviews etc., there's little doubt in my mind that Bolts likes Daisy and likes having him around.