(07-10-2017, 09:14 AM)Baggers link Wrote:In fairness to Meat, had he not had a history of poor kicking his present efforts would not be a concern (in terms of accuracy). Who knows, maybe we haven't given H a go (which would help Meat) yet as SOS wants to make sure our first pick is in the top 5 for draft negotiation purposes  ;D

(07-10-2017, 09:22 AM)laj link Wrote:Geelong yes, Richmond, yes, Collingwood yes, Hawthorn yes, Freo yes, just for starters. So sides don't need his like. Geelong could do with another forward, especially one that can play on the ball. Richmond are apparently offering 2 million for 4 years so it's a bit more than maybe.

He's rated alot higher by footy commentators, other clubs etc than by our supporters. When it comes to supporters with agendas or people that are actually involved with footy certainly be the latter many times over.

(07-10-2017, 06:14 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I'll forgive your 'knowing i hate casboult', because your comprehension skills are not great. Here's why.
Jack is 18, not 19.

More of Casboults shots go OOB, yes he's taken more, but more go OOB. Your own %'s tell you that. What you are saying suits MY argument, not yours.

I don't buy the rhetoric that Casboult would get a game at any other club or that we'd be stuffed without him. That was the same talk we had when we were going to get rid of Fev. Our best season in recent history came the exact year after we ditched him.

Acknowledging, repeatedly, that Casboult is the best mark in the game is hardly ignoring the good you accuse me of.

Casboult played well. Haven't seen many better games from him.

Answer me this. If a team has their key forward play one of the best games they've had him play. How often does that team lose? How often does that player end up with only 1 goal to his name? The problem i have is that we are celebrating mediocrity.

Casboult tries his guts out more often than not and while he continues to do that i will pick him every game. Same reason i prefer White, Daisy, Fisher types who may not have a complete skill set. That doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for better....and there are better out there.

(07-10-2017, 09:38 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I don't think Clarkson would countenance Levi even for a second.

And Baggers, fair post.

(07-10-2017, 11:02 AM)jeza link Wrote:Without wanting to be petty about it Jack is 19 not 18. Comprehension skills still intact then.

Losing Betts, Garlett, Waite, Fevola, Everitt... and every other forward of any note is not a strategy that has served us well to this point in my opinion. You clearly don't share that view but I'd say having the lowest score in the AFL at the minute is in some way not helped by losing all of our forwards. Losing Casboult would be a disastrous continuation of that problem. Complete and total disaster. Keep him and add to him. Don't lose him to FA for FA.

Stringer, both Reiwoldts, Bruce, Franklin, Toby Greene, Fasolo, Zorko, Sam Reid, Lecras, Martin, Tom Lynch, Waite, McCarthy, Peter Wright and yes Jack Silvagni....... all worse goal kicking accuracy than Cas this year according to the AFL website which I believe takes into account all shots at goal not just goals / behinds.

(07-10-2017, 11:16 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:He took on Tyrone Vickery.  Never say never!

(07-10-2017, 11:37 AM)kruddler link Wrote:See this is what i don't get.

People justify keeping casboult because there are 'players worse than him'. Does that sound like a model for success??

OK, you listed 17 players (Tom Lynch x2) who all have worse %'s at goal this season. Fair enough. But, is that the exception or the rule?

You know how many of those same 17 players have a career GA% WORSE than Casboult? Two* J. Silvagni and D. Zorko.

*This doesn't include OOB shots. So when taking that into account, you might find that they all are better than Casboult in GA%.

I'm not making a judgement on Casboult based on this season alone. Its over his whole career. Yes, his % has improved a little this year. It has to improve sometimes, it won't be down every year. However, next year? Year after? Can he EVER be relied upon to kick the goals we need of him.

TBH, a lot of Casboults goals come from big marks in the goals square, or close too. His % should be much higher than most.
I think i read he is 13th for marks inside 50. Given that, you'd think he'd have more set shots than all but 12 players in the league.....which would put him close to the pointy end of the goal kickers list if he could convert. Alas, nowhere near it.

Yes, he is the best we've got.
Yes, he tries hard.
No, he is not a player we can rely on to win us games (through goals) and be a focal point clubs fear.

At the end of the day, its the last point that a player playing his position should be judged on, and that how i'm judging him.