(08-29-2020, 09:50 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Notice how in the other states they are able to get on top of things quickly because irrespective of how they get sick, people stop socialising with others stay home and actually do the right thing?

Hotel Quarantine or not every state has experienced outbreaks.  only in ours became one where people didn't care about it because they were too worried about getting on with life rather than doing the right thing and staying home when they got sick.

A security guard went menulog delivering ffs from those hotels on the same day he developed symptoms.

Pathetic. These Rhodes scholars are the problem.  We've been told since march that if you get sick stay home. 

People keep talking about the Quarantine in a way to tie the blame back to the premier but we wouldn't have 500 covid deaths if people did the right thing rather than continuing to thumb their nose at the government.

(08-30-2020, 04:46 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Andrew's paid plenty for three security firms that failed to deliver basic security when the ADF offer was a freebie. It backfired saying no and he lied about it if you believe the ADF senior officer who said they had the staff available.

(08-29-2020, 10:27 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:My wife and I constantly debate this and whilst I agree in part that the this is largely due to people doing the wrong thing, I still think it comes back to those in charge putting measures in place to cater for the lowest common denominator. In any workplace incident, investigations usually focus on training, procedures, management, protocols etc. It usually goes up the chain of command and thats where ultimate responsibility lies. Thry you work in the health industry IIRC, your training and exposure makes this all second nature to you. As an Engineer and Project Manager, I have worked on many projects in the Pharmaceutical sector so the concepts of hygiene, sterility etc is second nature to me. But I have dealt with people who struggle with even the most basic of concepts with regards to the above. With all due respect to them but to expect security guards on minimum wage engaged via a Whatsapp message to grasp all these concepts instantly with little or no training is a little rich in my opinion. Yes I agree, common sense should prevail, but as I have stated on many occasions, common sense aint that common anymore. When this broke out, I initially thought "mate you had one job, guard a door and stop people coming in or out". What is being detailed now is beyond belief. They should have followed the model adopted by other states, instead...

(08-31-2020, 04:31 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Thats fine but it all falls down at this point to me:

Somewhere along the way, we have 2 hotels, who somehow became the issue, and yet Crown and the likes dont.

Why is that?

Likewise, I know a couple of Ambulance drivers who have tested positive to COVID 19.  They all take the precautions, PPE, washing down the truck, etc, but due to simple circumstance of being involved directly with patients, they ended up with COVID.

Perhaps its as simple as the disease is as infectious as they keep telling us it is, and that is why people get sick from it so the best way to not get sick is to limit your exposure to both people who might be sick, and situations where you might spread it around if you did come into contact with people who get sick.

Maybe doubling up as a security guard and a menulog driver mightnt have been the smartest idea?

(08-31-2020, 05:44 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:The bold bit Thry, exactly why you dont let untrained people work on the front line, what hope have they got if highly trained people are at risk?

(08-31-2020, 06:32 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:It still doesnt explain why the outbreak is isolated to one or two hotels when multiple were used, and it also shows that the ADF might not have yielded any different result (if they were truly available anyway).  The early days of PPE vs the last 8 weeks are a very different proposition even in our hospital.  There was no N95 masks and face shield wearing in COVID areas up until July because they didnt have the stock.

(08-31-2020, 06:32 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:It still doesnt explain why the outbreak is isolated to one or two hotels when multiple were used, and it also shows that the ADF might not have yielded any different result (if they were truly available anyway).  The early days of PPE vs the last 8 weeks are a very different proposition even in our hospital.  There was no N95 masks and face shield wearing in COVID areas up until July because they didnt have the stock.