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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - sandsmere - 03-05-2017
(03-05-2017, 02:24 PM)Mav link Wrote:Once you get caught out peddling falsehoods, I'm afraid you have little credibility.
eg. Bill and Hilary Clinton.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - shawny - 03-05-2017
(03-05-2017, 07:28 PM)sandsmere link Wrote:eg. Bill and Hilary Clinton.
;D ;D 'I did not have sexual relations with that girl'
And she's a snake as well. Suit each other.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 03-05-2017
(03-05-2017, 02:44 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:So how come you are prepared to take on board all the stuff about Russia influencing the US elections when, to my knowledge no serious proof or evidence has been tabled? Shouldn't that in your parlance be classified as conspiracy theory?
If Trump divests himself of all his Russian assets some of the problems might go away, but at the moment his organisation has $B dependant on the kindness of Putin.
Do you have faith that Trump will do the right thing when it comes down to a world view versus his bank accounts?
Further, some of his key appointments work in oil and has a vested interest in what goes down in the major pipelines servicing Europe from Turkey and the Ukraine. In everyday terms it's called a conflict of interest and it's becoming more common in politics by the day. Just because some have gotten away with it in the past doesn't make this occurrence acceptable, better or more benign.
When a decision has to be made about some events in that region, do you trust them to do the right thing by the people or the right thing by their accounts?
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - cookie2 - 03-05-2017
(03-05-2017, 09:21 PM)LP link Wrote:If Trump divests himself of all his Russian assets some of the problems might go away, but at the moment his organisation has $B dependant on the kindness of Putin.
Do you have faith that Trump will do the right thing when it comes down to a world view versus his bank accounts?
Further, some of his key appointments work in oil and has a vested interest in what goes down in the major pipelines servicing Europe from Turkey and the Ukraine. In everyday terms it's called a conflict of interest and it's becoming more common in politics by the day. Just because some have gotten away with it in the past doesn't make this occurrence acceptable, better or more benign.
When a decision has to be made about some events in that region, do you trust them to do the right thing by the people or the right thing by their accounts?
I do not have any real faith in the Trump presidency and it should certainly be subject to the same levels of scrutiny that are applied to any other. However, if this is not done in the right way that scrutiny will be flawed and easily rebutted. Trump, imo, has already been subdued to the usual interests and will be directed by them, albeit possibly via different strategies. Those should start to become clear over the coming months and I await with interest!
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - DJC - 03-05-2017
(03-05-2017, 01:46 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:Do you know who they are? Are you familiar with details of the case they are making. Or is that your off the cuff opinion?
Like many folk, I sat up all night watching it happen and I have read many accounts including the "alternative truth" versions. The latter are written by fruit loops and, in many cases, fruit loops pursuing evil agendas.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 03-05-2017
(03-05-2017, 02:44 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:So how come you are prepared to take on board all the stuff about Russia influencing the US elections when, to my knowledge no serious proof or evidence has been tabled? Shouldn't that in your parlance be classified as conspiracy theory?Investigations by private cybersecurity firms and experts concluded that Russian hackers were responsible.
Guccifer 2.0, the hacker who claimed responsibility, only ever raised his head for these leaks and then popped up much later to declare that the file released by the former MI6 agent was nonsense. Surprisingly, experts have concluded this was just a fake identity used by the Russians to obscure their involvement.
Funnily enough, the Economist revealed that 2 teams of Russian hackers had attacked the DNC independently: http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21707574-whats-worse-being-attacked-russian-hacker-being-attacked-two-bear-bear.
One interesting part of that report is:
Quote:Previously unpublished analysis by SecureWorks gives some of the details. The groups took the day off on April 15th—which just happens to be the day Russia honours its military electronic-warfare service.
Wow, why would Guccifer choose that day to take a break? ;D
Maybe you should spend a bit of time on Google, Cookie. Perhaps Google Jessikka Aro, the Bundestag hacks, and the recent history of Russia's information war with the West and the Baltic states. You could find stuff like this: http://www.politico.eu/article/russian-influence-german-election-hacking-cyberattack-news-merkel-putin/
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 03-05-2017
While you're googling it's probably a good idea to be aware of where the source is perceived to sit on the spectrum.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/21/lets-rank-the-media-from-liberal-to-conservative-based-on-their-audiences/?utm_term=.64de008fe2b0
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - cookie2 - 03-05-2017
(03-05-2017, 10:28 PM)DJC link Wrote:Like many folk, I sat up all night watching it happen and I have read many accounts including the "alternative truth" versions. The latter are written by fruit loops and, in many cases, fruit loops pursuing evil agendas.
I would concede that there are "fruit loops", some with evil intent, who have latched on the this and tried to make mileage out of it, although I don't really read the so-called alternative media. However there are other more credible sources backed up by expert input from such people as building demolition experts, structural engineers etc who have raised significant doubts as to the official version, enough doubts imo for me to reserve my judgement on it.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - cookie2 - 03-05-2017
(03-05-2017, 11:00 PM)Lods link Wrote:While you're googling it's probably a good idea to be aware of where the source is perceived to sit on the spectrum.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/21/lets-rank-the-media-from-liberal-to-conservative-based-on-their-audiences/?utm_term=.64de008fe2b0
Thanks but I pretty much aware of all of this.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 03-05-2017
And remember that the left-wing has historically been the sworn enemy of Russia while the right-wing has always been pro-Russian. Or is it the other way around? ;D