(08-26-2020, 05:43 AM)LP link Wrote:Maybe that is the political motivation behind the current series of events, the State will put it on the Feds as public health is primarily a Fed concern?

(08-26-2020, 06:05 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Dont think Dan the man will get much from Scomo and crew, they really laid into him in Parliament yesterday blaming him'for Victoria's problems and the Libs wont ever fund heartland Labor area's.

(08-26-2020, 06:05 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Dont think Dan the man will get much from Scomo and crew, they really laid into him in Parliament yesterday blaming him'for Victoria's problems and the Libs wont ever fund heartland Labor area's.

(08-26-2020, 07:24 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Yep, ScoMo and Dan had gotten along beautifully until the Aged Care homes stuff and now the fingers are a pointin'. Those of us in everyday land have known for yonks that decent and proper aged care is hard to find... too many profiteers & 'money for jam' types investing and running the places. My old man has been in BaptCare for about 3 years now and even though he's a pr1ck we used to -- until C-19 -- visit him regularly (even though he's a whingeing manipulative pr1ck, he's still blood). And the meals the folks were given were so cheap and basic it was embarrassing, along with what seemed to be 'bargain basement' staff. Some were so ill-suited to aged care it was embarrassing... just a job, and barely had a handle on English - sorry if that seems racist, just stating a fact. On the upside, his room was always very clean, they let him have his whiskey every day and I always get a call if anything is wrong with him. The older woman who is the boss where my old man is runs a tight ship and my comms with her have always be honest, up front and real. I'm not surprised they've had no C-19 cases/deaths.

My issues with aged care and how it is run, is with the meals, things for the older cats to do during the day and the profiteering bastards who get involved in this sector - glad there is a Royal Commission into the entire business.

(08-26-2020, 07:07 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Well if, and its a big IF, it comes out for certain that Dan and co flatly rejected Federal assistance and copying the other states model with the Hotel Quarantine, he's /they're farked.

(08-26-2020, 04:25 AM)LP link Wrote:I heard they moved a bunch of SARS-CoV-2 positive patients out of northern suburbs aged care into Frankston Hospital a few weeks back, I bet they regret that now!

FWIW, I also heard a rumor they did the same over at Peninsula Private Hospital, that would be the two major hospitals in the area put at risk by the transfer of patients out of the northern suburbs!

There are a bunch of Emergency Services workers down that way who are ropeable about how it was handled!

(08-26-2020, 11:46 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:There's 2 things that the media aren't speaking about which tells you its not the strategy that was the issue and that means Andrews will be fine.

1.  At the time 90% of return travellers were coming through Melbourne.  What that means is that the other states strategy's were handling much smaller numbers which makes it much easier to manage.

2.  Out of all the hotels in Melbourne used, we only have two that are in the firing line.  I know for a fact crown was housing return travellers and they have not been mentioned or implicated at all.

Im no apologist.  The ADF might have been a better strategy but that's a hindsight discussion, and it's not really relevant considering the ridges and Stamford are the only hotels mentioned.

I know of people who were in the quest South bank too.

(08-26-2020, 11:46 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:There's 2 things that the media aren't speaking about which tells you its not the strategy that was the issue and that means Andrews will be fine.

1.  At the time 90% of return travellers were coming through Melbourne.  What that means is that the other states strategy's were handling much smaller numbers which makes it much easier to manage.

2.  Out of all the hotels in Melbourne used, we only have two that are in the firing line.  I know for a fact crown was housing return travellers and they have not been mentioned or implicated at all.

Im no apologist.  The ADF might have been a better strategy but that's a hindsight discussion, and it's not really relevant considering the ridges and Stamford are the only hotels mentioned.

I know of people who were in the quest South bank too.

(08-26-2020, 11:42 PM)Baggers link Wrote:A very fair summary. Seems the security business will be in for a shake-up and not before time. On the surface of it you'd think that by employing these firms they'd have people who knew what they were doing - apparently not all. A lot of important lessons have be learnt from that episode.

The serious and inexcusable cracks in aged care have also been revealed. Another important lesson learnt at very high cost for many families. And the Federal Govt can duck and weave all they like but everyone knows this was their responsibility -- which doesn't remove State Govts from responsibility, either -- and they've (Feds) been negligent in not REALLY KNOWING what was going on, on their watch. Negligent govts and profiteers... what a poor pair to entrust the wellbeing of our aged to.

(08-27-2020, 12:35 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I would have thought that now isn't the time to go doing an investigation into what went wrong.

Identify the shortfalls.  Fix them, and then worry about who stuffed up once there is no pandemic to worry about.

This is the sort of thing that fills the public with no confidence in government.  On the one hand, we have the vast majority of people being told to stay home, stay safe, dont mingle, etc, and then we have stuff ups like cancelling farmers markets, and retraction within 24 hours, 3-4 weeks during a lockdown, and then we have a royal commission into returned travellers, and aged care, when there are literally people dieing.

The government have a lot to answer for, and one of things they keep getting wrong, is creating policy on the run for things that need to fill the public with confidence that they are able to handle things effectively.

Should our state of emergency be extended?  Probably.  If not it will be reimposed as quickly as it is able to.

Should our lockdowns continue.  No.  I think we have enough data to show that the damage to the economy and the general publics health is not that great (although that could change with a higher infection rate) and we should be throwing the same amount of resources into our health care networks and aged care networks to appropriately deal with the threat at hand.

Note, I dont advocate full normality.  This stage 4 stuff was an extreme measure required to be enacted because our virus spread was well and truly out of control.  Now that we are arresting it, its time to manage this PROPERLY.  Spend the resources protecting the vulnerable.



Close that loophole, and actually shut it.  Dont just complain publically about our plight.