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Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS - pew2 - 09-04-2020
said all year our game plan is NO Good ,kicking the ball u12 style the bomb into our fwdline expecting some1 to mark it and the opposition know this and away they go with quick ball movement to there open forwards line resulting in easy goals. Our forward coach try something different like GOV is quick off the mark rest of forwards make space so his got room to lead . eg stephenson v plowman last week set up nicely .We are lucky that we won a couple of close games or else bottom 5 team.
Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS - laj - 09-04-2020
(09-04-2020, 02:02 AM)capcom link Wrote:As a forum group, we're clearly annoyed
Justifiably so. Just so many dud picks, it astounds me. It is what it is, but it's also what it shouldn't be. Exasperating
Unfortunately thrown in the deep end from the start, same with a few of ours. They kids needed lesser roles while the more established took the tough roles. Even Weitering suffered but fortunately he got himself back. How many of us were doubting him. We shot their confidence. Not every player is a Sam Walsh and can jump straight into it.
Bet if Dow went to Richmond he'd be a good player. Thing is it is our fault. May well have picked a decent player but used him very poorly.
Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS - laj - 09-04-2020
(09-04-2020, 04:57 AM)pew2 link Wrote:said all year our game plan is NO Good ,kicking the ball u12 style the bomb into our fwdline expecting some1 to mark it and the opposition know this and away they go with quick ball movement to there open forwards line resulting in easy goals. Our forward coach try something different like GOV is quick off the mark rest of forwards make space so his got room to lead . eg stephenson v plowman last week set up nicely .We are lucky that we won a couple of close games or else bottom 5 team.
Or unlucky we lost some close ones, we'd be in the 8.
Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS - Tragic - 09-04-2020
Some perspective. Remember 9thmond?
It took them years of being middle of the road to becoming a powerhouse.
The old two steps forward one step backwards, and sometimes one step forward, two steps backward.
Our list profile was absolute rubbish 5 years ago. In my eyes it's better now. Some of SoS's picks and trades won't (and some certainly haven't) come off. That's standard practice.
I've mentioned a few times previously, that after doing all that trading and drafting, a time will come when some of our high hopes will not make it, and they will exit the club. And then it's time to target very specific players (Tom Papley/ Zac Williams etc...) to replace them.
Teague has had 1 preseason with the club...
Charlie Curnow has missed the entire year and some...
We are getting more players to the 50 - 100 game bracket. Importantly, playing together ...
We have more developing youth coming through, and it only takes 2 or 3 of them to step up...
Please, please, please land 2 or 3 good/very good ready to go players via trade/draft/free agency...
Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-04-2020
(09-04-2020, 05:33 AM)Tragic link Wrote:Some perspective. Remember 9thmond?
It took them years of being middle of the road to becoming a powerhouse.
The old two steps forward one step backwards, and sometimes one step forward, two steps backward.
Our list profile was absolute rubbish 5 years ago. In my eyes it's better now. Some of SoS's picks and trades won't (and some certainly haven't) come off. That's standard practice.
I've mentioned a few times previously, that after doing all that trading and drafting, a time will come when some of our high hopes will not make it, and they will exit the club. And then it's time to target very specific players (Tom Papley/ Zac Williams etc...) to replace them.
Teague has had 1 preseason with the club...
Charlie Curnow has missed the entire year and some...
We are getting more players to the 50 - 100 game bracket. Importantly, playing together ...
We have more developing youth coming through, and it only takes 2 or 3 of them to step up...
Please, please, please land 2 or 3 good/very good ready to go players via trade/draft/free agency...
Some good points...Richmond had the big trade period with Caddy, Nankervis and Prestia and then developed the small pressure forwards on mass game plan which took them to a premiership.
We probably need a game plan that suits our glut of tall forwards which is where our list differs from most other clubs....Tigers have a high skill level, was amazed to hear they are a very low possession team but are just super efficient..
Think they have one player only in the top 30 possession winners in the comp.
Poor kicking and bad decision making players might be the thing that holds us back unless we make some brave calls and cull players that are poor users of the ball even though they might be seen in our best 22 for other reasons..
Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS - tonyo - 09-04-2020
This is certainly not the time to throw out the baby with the bath water.....
I can remember watching guys like Nick Vlaustin, Shane Edwards, Dylan Grimes, Kane Lambert etc when they first started playing, and thought they would be average at best - but Richmond held their nerve (including keeping Hardwick) and backed their list. The proof of that pudding is in their trophy cabinet.
As Nick Reiwoldt has pointed out, the undefinable glue is 'chemistry', and I have seen far more of that this season. Defense is pretty good, midfielders have by and large held their own. We could certainly use some more running power in these two areas.
However, the glaringly obvious work-in-progress is the mid to forward connection, and finishing. I honestly think this is where we have missed Charlie and Jack Silvagni badly this year, as they are our best lead-up forwards by a mile. The current forwards do not make their moves fast enough, and we end up clogged and get nothing for our hard work. The third quarter last night was the most frustrating I have watched all season. We should have been 5-7 goals up at 3/4 time, and it's game over.
But this season is full of should-have-beens.....
Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS - Professer E - 09-04-2020
Some positives I can find, dredging through another season of crap.
1. We've won games based on a more even spread of contributors, not just say Cripps or Judd or some other key figure getting fifty possessions.
2. Key forwards haven't gotten hold of us like in previous years. Weitering and Jones (albeit he is chaotic at times) have largely done the job. But they need capable smaller defenders doing their job around them.
3. Surely there is still vast internal improvement within the list.
Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS - LP - 09-04-2020
(09-04-2020, 05:48 AM)tonyo date Wrote:I can remember watching guys like Nick Vlaustin, Shane Edwards, Dylan Grimes, Kane Lambert etc when they first started playing, and thought they would be average at best - but Richmond held their nerve (including keeping Hardwick) and backed their list. The proof of that pudding is in their trophy cabinet.Geez, they cut away a lot of big name big reputation dead wood coaches though!
Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS - LP - 09-04-2020
FMD, after nearly 12 weeks of being the most exciting team to watch in the competition, just one dud game against GWS and the media are all over Carlton delivering a shizen to watch slugfest!
Back to normal! ;D
Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS - Thryleon - 09-04-2020
(09-04-2020, 06:08 AM)LP link Wrote:FMD, after nearly 12 weeks of being the most exciting team to watch in the competition, just one dud game against GWS and the media are all over Carlton delivering a shizen to watch slugfest!
Back to normal! ;D
Can say what they like, Luke Hodge was lauding our ability to make it hard for GWS to play their game last night.
It was dissapointing not to score, but they know we are coming.