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Re: General Discussions - Thryleon - 12-15-2020
I dont think you guys are on the same page with respect to whats happening here and although you mention some of the risks the data shows decrease in these behaviors with decriminalisation (its not the same as legalisation) and not an increase.
Im on the fence because often the arguments get skewed one way or the other and data is doctored but locking people up for using creates a cycle thats harder to break and ultimately drugs of dependence i think is more about people than drugs and we need to focus on that.
Re: General Discussions - northernblue - 12-15-2020
Don’t get me wrong Thry, I also tend to agree with you... but personal responsibility is a must.
Re: General Discussions - ElwoodBlues1 - 12-16-2020
My sons mate is a paramedic and has been attacked twice by ice affected low lifes who were high, he is a big lad but isnt allowed to defend himself and had to wait till police arrive. Similar story with my daughter who is a nurse who was attacked along with other staff by a nutter who was off his face and had been brought in by the ambos with some broken limbs, he wasnt feeling any of his injuries but proceeded to throw stuff around and belt into anyone who got in his road.
Its a similar story every other night with our drug addicted society, during the bad covid period drug use increased and most ambo calls were for people either overdosing or trying to suicide usually by hanging...hardly a call for a CoVid related illness problem though.
I'm over drug users who get violent and want to risk the lives of healthcare workers and take time away from other sick or injured people. I dont care what the reason they got onto drugs to start with but if you get violent and start hurting people then you are a criminal and should be treated like one.
Re: General Discussions - jeza - 12-16-2020
Fair call.
I also think for most of these people it wouldn't be the first time they took drugs and got violent. Yet somehow it's seen as a mitigating factor in court.
Oh I didn't know what I was doing cos I was on drugs.
I'd say You knew you'd become violent yet you took the drugs anyway therefore cop additional punishment.
Not sure that would help but something has to change.
Re: General Discussions - LP - 12-16-2020
I feel very sorry for the emergency workers, the wankers seem to have all the rights! But there is some irony that the wankers won't get more sympathy anywhere else than they get from the emergency workers, they genuinely care. I couldn't do that job!
When I was in hospital for a day or two last year I couldn't believe how disruptive the wankers can be, the emergency medical staff and security staff are consumed by wankers getting aggro because they can't have a smoke or want to piss off out of the joint high as a kite! The emergency would probably be 40% more efficient if the police could just locked them away, but they can't! This is the hidden cost Joe Average doesn't see, while half the staff are dealing with some disruptive wanker, other ill people are not getting the level of attention they need to get out of the place faster! Either way, we pay, we all pay!
I don't know what the answer is, it's not having police in there because the staff will tell you they do not want armed police inside the emergency wards. They see that as being just one lunatic away from a mass homicide! Do no harm!
Re: General Discussions - Gointocarlton - 12-16-2020
(12-16-2020, 05:04 AM)jeza link Wrote:Fair call.I'd apply a double penalty for being under the influence. Fark the discounts, nuffs enuff.
I also think for most of these people it wouldn't be the first time they took drugs and got violent. Yet somehow it's seen as a mitigating factor in court.
Oh I didn't know what I was doing cos I was on drugs.
I'd say You knew you'd become violent yet you took the drugs anyway therefore cop additional punishment.
Not sure that would help but something has to change.
Re: General Discussions - Gointocarlton - 12-16-2020
(12-16-2020, 05:34 AM)LP link Wrote:I feel very sorry for the emergency workers, the wankers seem to have all the rights! But there is some irony that the wankers won't get more sympathy anywhere else than they get from the emergency workers, they genuinely care. I couldn't do that job!Well the answer certainly isn't removing the responsibility by decriminalising it IMHO. These days, it seems to always be someone else's fault or problem.
When I was in hospital for a day or two last year I couldn't believe how disruptive the wankers can be, the emergency medical staff and security staff are consumed by wankers getting aggro because they can't have a smoke or want to piss off out of the joint high as a kite! The emergency would probably be 40% more efficient if the police could just locked them away, but they can't! This is the hidden cost Joe Average doesn't see, while half the staff are dealing with some disruptive wanker, other ill people are not getting the level of attention they need to get out of the place faster! Either way, we pay, we all pay!
I don't know what the answer is, it's not having police in there because the staff will tell you they do not want armed police inside the emergency wards. They see that as being just one lunatic away from a mass homicide! Do no harm!
Re: General Discussions - chalkybill - 12-16-2020
I noticed that the Oregon study suggested that the money formerly used to arrest, hold court, incarcerate, etc. would be better spent else where. Suggesting it would be less. Yes there would be decreases in these costs but they would probably be more than matched by medical and psychological bills.
Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 12-16-2020
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/12/jeff-bezos-amazon-workers-covid-19-scrooge-capitalism
Re: General Discussions - shawny - 12-16-2020
(12-16-2020, 04:36 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I dont care what the reason they got onto drugs to start with but if you get violent and start hurting people then you are a criminal and should be treated like one.
100% agree. Angry Andersons son is dead as a result of trying to assist his best mate and who was on a heavy night taking MDMA. He was beaten and stomped on as 'apparently' he thought Andersons son was the devil. He was sentenced to 7 years with a min of 5 for manslaughter. Utter madness and shows no justice for the poor victims family whatsoever.
Andersons son has had potentially 60 years taken from him and the man responsible could be walking the streets in 5... How is this right?
Any father would be hard pressed not wanting to take his own justice out on release - These are crimes the victims family never ever move on.
Disgusting lack of justice.