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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - flyboy77 - 06-16-2019
(06-15-2019, 10:25 PM)kruddler link Wrote:....and not haven't watched any of it, what leads you to single them out???
Comments from others....that all 3 were worse than pathetic in the first half. That Dow finished with 9 disposals (and whose disposal is arguable the worst in the AFL)....
Need I go on....
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - laj - 06-16-2019
(06-16-2019, 02:55 AM)PaulP link Wrote:This has been raised many times by many posters over the years, and one of the issues I have is that by simple inference, one senior coach after another is either blind, corrupt or incompetent, or possibly all three, because there can be no other logical explanation if your observations are correct.
Imagine the coaches box over the last decade - supposedly Murphy and Gibbs lead the way, but no coach (senior, assistant) ever did a thing ? I can see it if we had one coach over the journey, and he was either hopeless or played favourites, but 6 senior coaches have seen Murphy play, and 2 or 3 have seen SPS, Dow and LOB play, but don't notice these bad habits emerging ?
EDIT : in fact Teague was visibly please to have Murphy back in the pre match interview.
Pyke had it right, stick Gibbs in the twos.
Problem of our lack of midfield depth, replacing them. If we had the depth we have forward and back so of them might've seen more twos time.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - flyboy77 - 06-16-2019
When 14 blokes have 2 tackles or less each in a game....pathetic.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - PaulP - 06-16-2019
(06-16-2019, 03:08 AM)laj link Wrote:Pyke had it right, stick Gibbs in the twos.
Problem of our lack of midfield depth, replacing them. If we had the depth we have forward and back so of them might've seen more twos time.
That's fine, but it's quite damning that 15 years in the case of Murph and 2 or 3 in the case of the others, how many hundreds of players have we turned over, and not one single player can come in and cover for Murph, not even for a game ? And even in years when we were going nowhere and headed for the spoon, that the MC never thought (not even once) "nah, lazy and soft, stick him in the 2's?" I mean, not once ? If these beliefs about soft lazy players are true, then surely this represents a continued list management failure of epic proportions ?
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - Baggers - 06-16-2019
(06-16-2019, 02:55 AM)PaulP link Wrote:This has been raised many times by many posters over the years, and one of the issues I have is that by simple inference, one senior coach after another is either blind, corrupt or incompetent, or possibly all three, because there can be no other logical explanation if your observations are correct.
Imagine the coaches box over the last decade - supposedly Murphy and Gibbs lead the way, but no coach (senior, assistant) ever did a thing ? I can see it if we had one coach over the journey, and he was either hopeless or played favourites, but 6 senior coaches have seen Murphy play, and 2 or 3 have seen SPS, Dow and LOB play, but don't notice these bad habits emerging ?
EDIT : in fact Teague was visibly please to have Murphy back in the pre match interview.
Not really. Simple case of no-one to replace them.
With another big body or two in the midfield blokes like Fisher/SPS will be more outside and dangerous.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - shawny - 06-16-2019
(06-16-2019, 03:07 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Comments from others....that all 3 were worse than pathetic in the first half. That Dow finished with 9 disposals (and whose disposal is arguable the worst in the AFL)....
Need I go on....
Couldn’t agree more.
Out of all our kids Dow and Fish get the least criticism.
Have major doubts on Dow. Given a long run in the seniors for sfa improvement. Disposal is poor and just don’t notice him - I guess collecting under 10 touches a game may be a reason.
Drop him for Kennedy. Dow in the 2nds will at least touch it more and get his confidence and hopefully skills up. Then give Kennedy the remainder of the year in the seniors. Needs an extended run for us to see why he has. Must display a reason why we should resign him.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - PaulP - 06-16-2019
(06-16-2019, 03:15 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Not really. Simple case of no-one to replace them.
With another big body or two in the midfield blokes like Fisher/SPS will be more outside and dangerous.
If they are as bad as people on here make out, don't you think that 13,14,15 years would be enough time to find replacements ? I imagine this would be something marked "urgent" with indelible ink.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - laj - 06-16-2019
(06-16-2019, 03:39 AM)shawny link Wrote:Couldn’t agree more.
Out of all our kids Dow and Fish get the least criticism.
Have major doubts on Dow. Given a long run in the seniors for sfa improvement. Disposal is poor and just don’t notice him - I guess collecting under 10 touches a game may be a reason.
Drop him for Kennedy. Dow in the 2nds will at least touch it more and get his confidence and hopefully skills up. Then give Kennedy the remainder of the year in the seniors. Needs an extended run for us to see why he has. Must display a reason why we should resign him.
Kids did need more twos time but right now we can't without replacement. Maybe with Kennedy replacing one. Outside of Cripps these kids are playing as our prime mids, whereas they should be down the pecking order in a perfect world. Weighs them down after a while. Hopefully the experience helps.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - laj - 06-16-2019
(06-16-2019, 03:40 AM)PaulP link Wrote:If they are as bad as people on here make out, don't you think that 13,14,15 years would be enough time to find replacements ? I imagine this would be something marked "urgent" with indelible ink.
We spent about that amount of time with Hughes and Rogers delivering some of the worst draft picks imaginable outside of the no-brainers. No alot of replacements there. When you're crap others don't want to come here. We've had to make kids prime mids, which you don't want to do as they aren't ready. That's where we needed the good 24-27yos but they don't want to know us until we get better.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs - Mantis - 06-16-2019
Slow starts are not helping the results the side comes away with. Surely with the bye, the coaches have a chance to address a few simple issues. Why is the tackle count so low in the first quarter. One percenters and general pressure on your opponent. Can the club be so ignorant to miss these simple issues? You don’t need huge bodies to address these problems. Get some of the basics working better Teague. A couple of player changes and things could swing your way. Don’t allow lazy football to exist at the club.