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Re: Daisy in strife - Lods - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 05:01 AM)LP link Wrote:What the wider community think is irrelevant, if you want to build unity and a culture what Carlton people think, the coaches, players, families, staff, sponsors and fans is the really important perspective.
If the publicly exposed order of events had been different in most cases it's usually first in best dressed. I'm not sure you can make the bolded argument retrospectively. In my experience the opening statement sets the agenda and perspective, it's why print and broadcast media structure reports and headlines the way they do, they know most people form opinion on the first line or two of a report and never read or pay attention to the rest!
Have a look at CheatsFC, despite the early claims being clearly exposed as false, to this day it's still the opinion of CheatsFC fans that the players were ignorant of any wrong doing! But that lie by deliberate omission of a fact, set up the structure of support for the players and ultimately stronger support for CheatsFC as a club!
My father was a journalist and what you say is true about structuring reports.
The thing is "Daisy will attend a children's cancer function" would hardly have raised an eyebrow.
Good bloke playing good football for a struggling club ….but it would only get a paragraph if a mention at all.
It might be a nice piece for the club website in the aftermath.
"Daisy drinks too much at function" is a much larger story.
The fact that it was a cancer charity function was reported extensively.
The reason I think the bit you wrote about using the charity function as a defence would backfire is that I'm a Carlton tragic and a Daisy fan....and I felt uncomfortable that would be the line we'd take.
Re: Daisy in strife - LP - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 05:22 AM)Lods link Wrote:The reason I think the bit you wrote about using the charity function as a defence would backfire is that I'm a Carlton tragic and a Daisy fan....and I felt uncomfortable that would be the line we'd take.
It's an uncomfortable job Lods, media, marketing and spin, but if you are in it you have to be in it up to your neck!
And again, this feeling you have is after the fact, we can't change that now because the first thing we heard was about Bad Daisy! Caro knows that!
If on the other-hand the first thing you had heard or read was that Daisy was out late Friday voluntarily raising money for a children's cancer charity, just two nights before the game, you'd have an immediate warm glow despite our poor on-field history!
By the way, no variant of this stops Caro being an asshole, that is retained in either frame of reference!
Re: Daisy in strife - Thryleon - 05-30-2019
Rather than banishing him to the vfl we get him to acknowledge his stuff up, issue him a fine with proceeds to said charity and we move on.
Club could cover the fine and everyone is happy.
Re: Daisy in strife - madbluboy - 05-30-2019
Or we could have just given him a warning like what every other club would have done.
Re: Daisy in strife - kruddler - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 06:54 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Rather than banishing him to the vfl we get him to acknowledge his stuff up, issue him a fine with proceeds to said charity and we move on.
Club could cover the fine and everyone is happy.
Because internally that would be seen as a slap on the wrist and the younger crop wouldn't get the message.
Re: Daisy in strife - Gointocarlton - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 07:26 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Or we could have just given him a warning like what every other club would have done.Why cant he follow the rules he and all the other senior players set?
Re: Daisy in strife - madbluboy - 05-30-2019
It was such a minor offence.
About a quarter of all AFL players have taken drugs, but yeah let's pretend that isn't happening and crack down on veteran drinking a couple of shiraz's at a charity event.
Re: Daisy in strife - Gointocarlton - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 09:44 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:It was such a minor offence.I understand what you mean but why cant he follow the rules? Why didnt he go to the senior boys prior and tell them he was going to have a few wines? As I said, stories are circulating that it wasnt just a couple of wines at a charity dinner. In any case, we are 1-9, he had a poor game and its not a good look.
About a quarter of all AFL players have taken drugs, but yeah let's pretend that isn't happening and crack down on veteran drinking a couple of shiraz's at a charity event.
Re: Daisy in strife - LoveNavy - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 07:26 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Or we could have just given him a warning like what every other club would have done.
I'd be happy with that. Problem is we're supposed to be developing a culture based on behavior consistent with core values. Said system applies values and sanctions consistently. This is unlike some club's who apply sanctions inconsistently (tigers, hawks ....) where some are untouchables.
Re: Daisy in strife - Thryleon - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 07:28 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Because internally that would be seen as a slap on the wrist and the younger crop wouldn't get the message.
The shame in the public domain is a deterrent.
It's not like he threatened someone with a chopstick.
FWIW the timing is impeccable. We are dropping a very important player for a winnable game for no good reason, AND it's a punishment that doesn't fit the crime which we don't see dished out too often.
You know when we sacked Robinson I backed the club. This time, I'm not sure. Daisy has enough credits in the bank where this seems very overeactive.