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Re: Pre-Game Prattle: AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda at Marvel - JonHenry - 05-24-2019
(05-24-2019, 01:36 PM)kruddler link Wrote:Point is, it could be 0 from 45 and it doesn't change my opinion.
I know
It reminds of the election
All our policies are fine and Bill is wonderful
Re: Pre-Game Prattle: AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda at Marvel - PaulP - 05-24-2019
(05-24-2019, 01:36 PM)kruddler link Wrote:Point is, it could be 0 from 45 and it doesn't change my opinion.
Agree. Nobody is saying the W/L is great. Clearly it's lousy. The salient questions are whether things could realistically be any different given the path we've taken, and whether changing the coach, now or at any point in the recent past, would make a difference. I say no. One needs to also bear in mind that changing an entire culture, and an entire club, is a massive task, and takes time. If you believe the hype, we are now doing things very differently from the past. Folks like to zero in on the coach as the cause of our poor performances, but there could be many other factors e.g discord between players, maybe involving WAGS, drugs etc. The possibilities are endless.
I think people need to move away from the "great men of history" theory. It's way more complex than one man. No messiah in the last 20 years has made much difference.
Re: Pre-Game Prattle: AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda at Marvel - cookie2 - 05-24-2019
The question in my mind is what is the club's tolerance for continuing to lose? Eventually, and I think end of season at the latest, that tolerance will be exhausted. That will drive the club's actions above anything else in a highly competitive environment such as the AFL.
Re: Pre-Game Prattle: AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda at Marvel - PaulP - 05-24-2019
(05-24-2019, 09:29 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:The question in my mind is what is the club's tolerance for continuing to lose? Eventually, and I think end of season at the latest, that tolerance will be exhausted. That will drive the club's actions above anything else in a highly competitive environment such as the AFL.
If changing the coach meant a permanent move up the ladder, rather than a honeymoon, dead cat bounce, I'd agree. I'm just not sure that it will.
Re: Pre-Game Prattle: AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda at Marvel - PaulP - 05-24-2019
(05-24-2019, 07:57 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:I know
It reminds of the election
All our policies are fine and Bill is wonderful
Then you end up with Trump. People don't always make good decisions, and their motives are not always rational, clear or well thought out.
Re: Pre-Game Prattle: AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda at Marvel - cookie2 - 05-24-2019
(05-24-2019, 09:32 PM)PaulP link Wrote:If changing the coach meant a permanent move up the ladder, rather than a honeymoon, dead cat bounce, I'd agree. I'm just not sure that it will.
Paul, stopping the pain will become the main and immediate driver. Moving on from that comes next. Not saying it will necessarily lead to success but change will be made on that basis.
Re: Pre-Game Prattle: AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda at Marvel - spf - 05-24-2019
Whilst I am extremely disappointed with the results of the last couple of weeks, I do hope we don't just come out 'breathing fire' as I think from this young group that will result in a possible win this week and stinker the next.
We must use the events as a watershed moment where the players take collective responsibility and improve across the ground. I don't think this is Bolton.
The player driven extra skills (Cripps and Dow), while encouraging to read, how many others are doing it? This for mine is the mark that will show our real improvement. There are not too many on our list that should be satisfied with their skill levels - the easy turnovers and poor execution are trained and practised, and if we want to really improve as a group this simply has to happen and be driven by the players.
The intent and pressure around the ball, that is a player decision, how hard do you run, how hard do you commit? That is the players making the decision, all the lovely game plans in the world fall apart if you cannot execute due to the effort.
So by all means, breath fire, but I want to see a consistent lift in intensity across the ground, and over the next couple of weeks an understanding of what it takes to compete at AFL level. It is a bit like a room full of new University graduates - everyone has a degree, so what sets you apart? Our young AFL 'champions' could be anything or not much, they actually make the decision.
Re: Pre-Game Prattle: AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda at Marvel - PaulP - 05-24-2019
(05-24-2019, 09:43 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:Paul, stopping the pain will become the main and immediate driver. Moving on from that comes next. Not saying it will necessarily lead to success but change will be made on that basis.
To me, this sounds like crisis management. No actual plan going forward, just do what we've always done because we can't work through things properly. Let's sack the coach to relieve the pressure.
Re: Pre-Game Prattle: AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda at Marvel - cookie2 - 05-24-2019
(05-24-2019, 09:53 PM)PaulP link Wrote:To me, this sounds like crisis management. No actual plan going forward, just do what we've always done because we can't work through things properly. Let's sack the coach to relieve the pressure.
Don't we have a crisis?
Re: Pre-Game Prattle: AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda at Marvel - PaulP - 05-24-2019
(05-24-2019, 09:57 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:Don't we have a crisis?
Well, that depends on who you ask. I've said many times I expected us to be bottom 2 this year, not because of any inherent fault with Bolton or the plan, but it's just the simple reality of where our club and list is at. Clearly that makes me as popular as a dose of the clap, but it is what it is.