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Re: Rd 19: Post Game Conversations: Carlton vs Geelong - flyboy77 - 07-30-2017
The Gilbert incident.
Hard to say there's much/any diference imo.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/is-fremantles-cam-mccarthy-in-mrp-trouble-for-his-tackle-on-sam-gilbert-ng-b88524936z
Re: Rd 19: Post Game Conversations: Carlton vs Geelong - Thryleon - 07-31-2017
(07-30-2017, 09:17 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:It's hilarious
Imagine John Longmire saying that about two of his mids and one being the captain.
Seriously they're our captain and vice captain and two of our highest paid players and you want to make excuses for them?
Why? Because that's not their go.
Wow that is exactly why we are in the position we are in.
We continue to accept this crap.
When did Carlton become so pathetic
You need to adjust your expectations.
Dan Hannebery doesnt go as hard as you think he does, and doesn't cope when getting heavy attention. Thing is he is surrounded by enough players that can shoulder the go hard load for him and then sticks to what is his go.
I watched Murphy emerge from no less than 3 Geelong players in a pack with the ball in hand on a couple of occasions on Saturday. The fact that he wasn't then able to bring down the next Geelong player with the footy in hand doesn't make him any less hard at the contest, it's just not a strength of his (bringing players down). We need to start playing our boys to their strengths, rather than expecting them to play like super heroes who don't get tired, and don't make errors who have perfectly functioning limbs. His shoulder is about as cooked as Jamo's was, and I suspect that Murphy will not last much longer playing footy unless he changes the way he approaches his game.
Gibbs also looks like he struggles with his arms due to the torn pectoral muscle off the bone, and his issue isnt that he doesnt drag players down, his issue is that he is not capable of emerging from a pack of 3 or more opponents with the ball in hand, and getting the ball going on our terms but he is a very good play maker who can get rough and ready.
The players are not the problem, the expectations on them are.
This is what we have been contending with for the better part of the last 14 years. A couple of guns, a few players that are handy and quite a few that would struggle to get a game on any other list.
Re: Rd 19: Post Game Conversations: Carlton vs Geelong - Baggers - 07-31-2017
(07-31-2017, 01:16 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:You need to adjust your expectations.
Dan Hannebery doesnt go as hard as you think he does, and doesn't cope when getting heavy attention. Thing is he is surrounded by enough players that can shoulder the go hard load for him and then sticks to what is his go.
I watched Murphy emerge from no less than 3 Geelong players in a pack with the ball in hand on a couple of occasions on Saturday. The fact that he wasn't then able to bring down the next Geelong player with the footy in hand doesn't make him any less hard at the contest, it's just not a strength of his (bringing players down). We need to start playing our boys to their strengths, rather than expecting them to play like super heroes who don't get tired, and don't make errors who have perfectly functioning limbs. His shoulder is about as cooked as Jamo's was, and I suspect that Murphy will not last much longer playing footy unless he changes the way he approaches his game.
Gibbs also looks like he struggles with his arms due to the torn pectoral muscle off the bone, and his issue isnt that he doesnt drag players down, his issue is that he is not capable of emerging from a pack of 3 or more opponents with the ball in hand, and getting the ball going on our terms but he is a very good play maker who can get rough and ready.
The players are not the problem, the expectations on them are.
This is what we have been contending with for the better part of the last 14 years. A couple of guns, a few players that are handy and quite a few that would struggle to get a game on any other list.
You're onto something here 3 Leos.
I jumped into the car around 9 last night for a quick visit to the supermarket and tuned to SEN and caught them talking about our poor midfield. The commentator pointed out that we have one of the lightest and smallest midfields (except for Crippa) and that we must bring into the club bigger bodied mids. Hard to argue with that. Has anyone here stood next to Murphy? Expecting him to do in-and-under stuff is sending a lamb to the slaughter and then expecting Cripps to do it all (as was pointed out by the commentator) is just pounding him too much. Food for thought.
Re: Rd 19: Post Game Conversations: Carlton vs Geelong - JonHenry - 07-31-2017
(07-31-2017, 02:40 AM)Baggers link Wrote:You're onto something here 3 Leos.
I jumped into the car around 9 last night for a quick visit to the supermarket and tuned to SEN and caught them talking about our poor midfield. The commentator pointed out that we have one of the lightest and smallest midfields (except for Crippa) and that we must bring into the club bigger bodied mids. Hard to argue with that. Has anyone here stood next to Murphy? Expecting him to do in-and-under stuff is sending a lamb to the slaughter and then expecting Cripps to do it all (as was pointed out by the commentator) is just pounding him too much. Food for thought.
I don't expect him to do it.
But he aint doing a lot else.
If he wants to play on the wings and in the pockets, pay him accordingly and don't make him Captain FFS.
He is not an elite kick. He is not super fast.
Re: Rd 19: Post Game Conversations: Carlton vs Geelong - PaulP - 07-31-2017
JH, I'm safely assuming you've never been a fan of his appointment as Captain - not when it was first announced, and not now. No doubt there are others who feel the same. But we have to accept that he's been endorsed by 2 very different regimes and playing groups, so whatever we as supporters see, the club and its various individuals appear to see it differently.
At most, next season will be his last as skipper IMO, and a change may happen at the end of this season.
Re: Rd 19: Post Game Conversations: Carlton vs Geelong - JonHenry - 07-31-2017
(07-31-2017, 03:27 AM)PaulP link Wrote:JH, I'm safely assuming you've never been a fan of his appointment as Captain - not when it was first announced, and not now. No doubt there are others who feel the same. But we have to accept that he's been endorsed by 2 very different regimes and playing groups, so whatever we as supporters see, the club and its various individuals appear to see it differently.
At most, next season will be his last as skipper IMO, and a change may happen at the end of this season.
I have no issue with Murphy, but I don't believe that type of player is captaincy material.
He should never have been paid as our top player. Cripps is far more valuable, and a Dusty Martin is worth 2 - 2.5 times as much as Murphy.
The basics of our game don't change.
Look at the midfields of Brisbane circa 2001, Sydney last 8 years, Hawthorn last 8 years.
They all have multiple players providing grunt, and their captains are tough and ruthless.
I doubt the new regime/board was prepared to make a change, once he had been given the role.
Re: Rd 19: Post Game Conversations: Carlton vs Geelong - PaulP - 07-31-2017
Finding a Voss or a Hodge is not that easy.
Who was your choice for Captain when Judd vacated the position ?
Re: Rd 19: Post Game Conversations: Carlton vs Geelong - JonHenry - 07-31-2017
(07-31-2017, 04:22 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Finding a Voss or a Hodge is not that easy.
Who was your choice for Captain when Judd vacated the position ?
I get that, but now Cripps should be.
I would have made him skipper this year.
Kruezer or Simpson would have been a better bet at the time.
Re: Rd 19: Post Game Conversations: Carlton vs Geelong - Thryleon - 07-31-2017
(07-31-2017, 02:42 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:I don't expect him to do it.
But he aint doing a lot else.
If he wants to play on the wings and in the pockets, pay him accordingly and don't make him Captain FFS.
He is not an elite kick. He is not super fast.
Captains are more than just 4 quarters on a saturday.
Simpson, Carrazzo or Murphy were our candidates at the time of Judds departure.
Dressing room politics dictates who the better captain is, not what they will do on a weekend.
This is why Nick Maxwell and Tom Harley made good captains.
This is why Marc Murphy may have been the best choice that our club had at the time, and why his tenure has been somewhat laboured, because our dressing room is anything but united.
Only Chris Judd could unite our dressing room, and even he could only manage it for 2 seasons.
Re: Rd 19: Post Game Conversations: Carlton vs Geelong - PaulP - 07-31-2017
(07-31-2017, 04:26 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:I get that, but now Cripps should be.
I would have made him skipper this year.
Kruezer or Simpson would have been a better bet at the time.
I was a fan of Simmo being made Captain.
Whilst one could argue that these guys mentioned (Cripps, Krooz, Simmo) may have been an upgrade on Murph, they still leave us short, because none of them have the mongrel and the crossing-the-line dirtiness of Voss or Hodge.