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Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - Gointocarlton - 07-21-2023
(07-21-2023, 01:58 AM)LP link Wrote:Compared to back in their peak days the Pommie bowling has been dead ordinary, most of our top end are getting themselves out they are not being dismissed by unplayable deliveries.Broad has worked on new balls to target dismissing Warner and Labourpains with great success.
On the batting the problem is the squad is chosen and the options to the coach are greatly limited, he's got what he has got and he needs to find a way to deal with it. Blokes with big reputations but not a lot of recent consistent form.
On our bowling, in my opinion our three best options for the Pommie conditions are Nesser, Boland and Murphy (Given Lyon is out). Spinners do not need to be big turners in Pommie conditions, but you need a lot of control so that you can lock down an end and the wickets will come. It seems to be a aspect of the game completely overlooked by Cummins, who seems to think he can bounce the Poms out.
Cummins, Starc, Hazelwood and delivering metronomic rubbish, hardly a smidge of speed variation among them, nothing out the back of the hand, no cutters, no slow bouncers, no knuckle balls, nothing to catch a batsmen off guard. It's like the left all their ODI and T20 skills back in India and forgot the basics of challenging a batsmen on the rampage.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-21-2023
England have fired up since the Bairstow stumping incident, they have more firepower with Wood's express bowling and Woakes inclusion has been a real plus given his record in England is so good with the ball and his handy batting along with Wood has shored up their fragile tail. The whole Bairstow business has hardened their resolve ,got the crowd involved and players like Stokes and Broad really feed off that stuff and drag the other players along with them.
The Bouncer war has also backfired big time, suits Englands bazball style and some of our blokes dont like it especially key players like Head who isnt comfortable with the ball at his body. Warner should never have toured and the selectors including (Candice Warner) fecked up bigtime listening to the mates club.
Agree with Prof that McDonald isnt up to it from what I have seen and was only picked on the basis he is a soft touch compared to Langar who wanted a more disciplined approach to training and higher standards.
Lyon missing has thrown the attack out more than I expected and Cameron Green while being the 3 million dollar man in the IPL
hasnt really impressed at test level and his only century was on the flattest of Indian wickets where three spinners were being played by each team and 500 was the expected team total each innings.
I also think Pat Cummins needs a break as test skipper given his workload as our premier quick bowler and its time to look for a new captain which probably means Smith gets another turn minus the sandpaper, angle grinder or whatever else his buddy Warner has in his pocket...
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - LP - 07-21-2023
(07-21-2023, 03:33 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:Broad has worked on new balls to target dismissing Warner and Labourpains with great success.Personally, I think there is quite a bit of spin and psyching out going on there from Broad and other Pommies, they are getting in the head of our batsmen and it has worked.
Bazball has certainly screwed up our quick bowlers who have completely lost the plot. Excessive short rubbish, poor direction control, weak fundamentals. Other than Lyon the only other bloke who was bowling with any control was Boland and they kyboshed him, which was really just a smokescreen for shit batting not making enough runs out of the conditions.
Yesterday morning Tubby and others were rattling on about how well Australia had batted in the conditions making par, now par is looking like 700!
I've had a good look at what Broad has been doing, and other than increased use of the wobble seam it's not much at all, and it's as slow as he's ever been.
Anderson is basically the same as always, just a bit slower.
Wood is quick, but not much else of interest, he is a skiddy type bowler who gets batsmen into trouble when they are not watching the ball carefully. Really the likes of Green and Marsh should be right at home against him as they both drive on the up with very little trouble.
At the moment Woake is a mile ahead in terms of control and hazardous potential.
Losing Lyon then not picking a spinner was a huge gaff, maybe it was hubris!
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - Mantis - 07-21-2023
Adam Gilchrist would be handy in the upper order with ability to score and score quickly. I don’t have much confidence in this current squad at all. They lack the belief in their abilities. By their current form the abilities are minimal to begin with. They are screwed trying to keep Woakes, Wood, and Broad quiet alone with Ali. The line and length of deliveries is spot on more often than not. They just need to work on their fielding. Get that right and this squad is almost unbeatable. I love their aggressive approach to everything they do. It is sad to give credit to the enemy, but I would trade their entire squad for ours without a second thought. Someone from the Aussie batting line up needs to take charge. Needs to back the ability to score. Especially rotating the strike with singles. You can’t be ultra defensive. Keep the scoreboard ticking over. Rotating the strike when you have a left and right hand batter at the crease. Unlike Warner with no idea against Woakes. Do I leave the delivery or do I play it, and get caught out chopping it onto his stumps. No confidence at all.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - Professer E - 07-21-2023
Warner was finished two years ago, his eye has gone and chop ons are inevitable.
Hooking is inexcusable in the scheme of the current game -pulls are easy runs as you stay over the ball - but trying to control the higher ball is a low percentage shot....I thought we were trying to save a test not give it away?
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - Gointocarlton - 07-21-2023
Smith to the rescue again...not.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - crashlander - 07-23-2023
Our batting has certainly ben disappointing this series. Smith and Khawaja did OK early, but they've done nothing since. It is taking a big individual effort, instead of good, team stuff, since the end of test #1. Not sustainable. The guys need to look at how they're getting out and what to do about it.
Selection - I could wax lyrical about that, but I don't really want to. Suffice to say that some of the decisions have been mystifying. But there have to be changes for the last test, no matter what the result. Reputations mean nothing at the pointy end; it is how you perform when the chips are down.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - Gointocarlton - 07-23-2023
(07-23-2023, 05:00 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Our batting has certainly ben disappointing this series. Smith and Khawaja did OK early, but they've done nothing since. It is taking a big individual effort, instead of good, team stuff, since the end of test #1. Not sustainable. The guys need to look at how they're getting out and what to do about it.Seems to me only rain will save the Urn now. If there is no rain, what are the chances of Marsh and Green digging in and batting out the innings forcing the draw? Buckleys and none.
Selection - I could wax lyrical about that, but I don't really want to. Suffice to say that some of the decisions have been mystifying. But there have to be changes for the last test, no matter what the result. Reputations mean nothing at the pointy end; it is how you perform when the chips are down.
It may have been posted here but I read Cummins is standing down as Captain after the ashes. Who replaces him? Smith?
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-23-2023
(07-23-2023, 05:04 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Seems to me only rain will save the Urn now. If there is no rain, what are the chances of Marsh and Green digging in and batting out the innings forcing the draw? Buckleys and none.Talk of Smith, Head or Marsh taking over ...I just have a strange feeling Marsh might even get offered the job, our version of Stokes.
It may have been posted here but I read Cummins is standing down as Captain after the ashes. Who replaces him? Smith?
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - Professer E - 07-23-2023
WTF...Marsh captain..really!?!
Two games ago he was a passenger in the squad then again he is delivering, unlike about six blokes in the side