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Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - JonHenry - 11-12-2018
In that side that played yesterday, Marsh is clearly the best player.
Finch, Lynn and Head are all 20/20 players with little technique.
Marsh is no star but easily better than those clowns
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - LP - 11-12-2018
(11-12-2018, 01:52 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:In that side that played yesterday, Marsh is clearly the best player.
Finch, Lynn and Head are all 20/20 players with little technique.
Marsh is no star but easily better than those clowns
Finch as captain is a huge improvement over some of the other recent appointees, perhaps he should be our modern version of Bob Simpson or Mike Brearley!
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 11-13-2018
(11-11-2018, 09:53 PM)malo link Wrote:Yeah, I'm inclined to agree...Lynn's reputation has been built on Big Bash...and it is plainly obvious how much of a step up international 50 over cricket is.Yes, I'm thinking Hazelwood and Cummins a purely Test bowlers. Berendorff is one i'd bring straight in. In ODI's i'd think about about both Stoinis and M.Marsh. I'd play two spinners too, Lyon and Fawad. Unless you have great ODI fast bowlers you need to take pace off the ball. Fast bowlers otherwise just go to the fence faster with their pace.
What was also highlighted very clearly yesterday was the difference in bowling plans & / or execution for the last 10 overs. They scored 140 off the last 10 FFS !!! We used to have the best finishers in the game going back to Waugh & O'Donnell, McDermott, McGrath...now these guys are just providing hitting length balls with the same pace on each. Cummings, as much as I love him as a bowler, is a Test Match specialist. Starc...where's the yorkers when you need them, Hazelwood, again is better at Test level. The Saffers showed us exactly how to bowl in the last 10.
Anyway.....onto the Tests in November as usual.
I suppose yesterday will give S.Marsh a free ticket to all 4 of them.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - JonHenry - 11-14-2018
(11-12-2018, 02:07 AM)LP link Wrote:Finch as captain is a huge improvement over some of the other recent appointees, perhaps he should be our modern version of Bob Simpson or Mike Brearley!
Yeah he’s a genius
We just went for 75 in the last 5 overs
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - LP - 11-14-2018
(11-14-2018, 10:33 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:Yeah he’s a genius
We just went for 75 in the last 5 overs
The bowlers were poo, Starc even came out and stated his spell was the worst of his career, but not really I think.
Which is the point I've been making about the likes of Starc and Coulter-Nile, as ODI and T20 bowlers they suck big time! To be a successful limited overs bowler you need extreme control over every delivery, these blokes can't even put them on the pitch reliably!
Once you have one or two bolwers letting the batsmen off the hook, the job for the bowlers at the other ned becomes impossible, the pressure doesn't build and they play freely. In ODI and T20 games Starc is just another Levi Casboult, the bloke the opposition is waiting for before they take control!
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 11-14-2018
Jim is right, there's a limited place for express pace in the short formats. Unless you can bowl that late curving Yorker at will like Tait, Ahktar, Wakar etc it just becomes a scoring aid. Taking the pace off the ball has its place as well.
I don't want Hazelwood and Cummins wasted in ODI, play Behrendorff, C-N, Richardson, Stanlake etc. Stanlakes trajectory is the hardest to hit.
The current English model is to play a heap of lusty hitting all rounder types and few specialist bowlers.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - LP - 11-14-2018
(11-14-2018, 09:03 PM)Professer E link Wrote:The current English model is to play a heap of lusty hitting all rounder types and few specialist bowlers.
Yep the Poms play the numbers game, lots of reliable noodlers bowling option balls here and there, and the batting pressure off the top order because they bat deep.
There is a direct correlation between slowed run rates and bowling changes.
If you can get a bunch of blokes who can reliably bowl 1 or 2 over spells, not needing 2 or 3 overs just to get going, you put the brakes on batmen as they never really get 100% settled. The only problem it adds is that on a bad day you do have an issue getting through your overs.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - malo - 11-14-2018
(11-14-2018, 09:03 PM)Professer E link Wrote:The current English model is to play a heap of lusty hitting all rounder types and few specialist bowlers.
You're exactly right mate, and most of their ODI side won't ever play a Test either.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - LP - 11-14-2018
(11-14-2018, 09:20 PM)malo link Wrote:You're exactly right mate, and most of their ODI side won't ever play a Test either.
That should be Starc's fate, but the problem is we don't pay enough for Test cricketers and they want limited overs money!
India put everyone to the sword because the BCCI is so rich, they basically pay their best players to regularly stand out of limited overs matches. Poms are starting to follow suit.
Until we get serious about it, and stop the half/half bullshit, we won't recover in the cricket rankings. Limited overs is not a short form of Test Cricket, it's a whole different game!
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 11-14-2018
Smith made AFR's rich list and punter is supposedly worth 100 million. Test cricket pays plenty of you're good enough.
Twenty twenty is for also rans.