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Re: Football Department Review - Baggers - 08-25-2021
(08-25-2021, 02:00 AM)northernblue link Wrote:A lot of assumptions in there too Baggers ?
It’s quite likely that the internals are in melt down as we speak, it’s just that they had the good fortune to lock the doors and windows when they went inside !
I have no doubt that the internals are 'hot'... I'm just glad it's all behind closed doors. I don't think it's good fortune to 'shut shop', I think it's good planning.
Re: Football Department Review - Baggers - 08-25-2021
(08-25-2021, 02:00 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I have no issue with major change, [tt]but it has to be the right change.[/tt] I'd be very curious to know if the review is telling the club to sack Teague, or telling them get Clarko if he's available. If it's the former, you'd have to legitimately ask why we paid three blokes good money to tell us something we're already good at, and which we were probably going to do anyway. "You've sacked 5 blokes so far this century, if hasn't worked out, but you should sack one more. You'll eventually find the right one. Good things take time. That'll be 100k thanks."
And that will only really be known... cliche warning... in the fullness of time. Yep, there will no doubt be an avalanche of opinion and speculation as to the effectiveness of the changes. But again, we'll only know whether the changes are right, wrong, good, bad, once they've been implemented and tested in the real world.
Re: Football Department Review - northernblue - 08-25-2021
(08-25-2021, 02:04 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I have no doubt that the internals are 'hot'... I'm just glad it's all behind closed doors. I don't think it's good fortune to 'shut shop', I think it's good planning.
You have more faith than I…
Re: Football Department Review - Lods - 08-25-2021
I think this is the problem...
The club want to work at their own pace.
Good on them for that.
But what it does is leave an 'information void.'
Media and supporters will fill that with their own assumptions.
We're shooting at shadows that may not even be there.
I don't think we have a united playing group but I really have nothing concrete to support that theory.
Does Cripps not like Teague, does Teague not like Cripps.
Do Cripps and Weitering not hang together at playlunch.
We're suffering a bit of media damage at the moment but the focus will come off a bit once the finals start.
Get the major announcements out of the way in the next few days and we'll have some good distractions to occupy everyone once the weekend games begin.
Re: Football Department Review - Baggers - 08-25-2021
(08-25-2021, 02:09 AM)northernblue link Wrote:You have more faith than I…
Understand. We've been well conditioned over the past two decades to lack trust... even to expect the worst. But, I am cautiously buoyed that at least the process (a seemingly structured one, adhered to) this time looks very different. Don't worry, my fingers are crossed. There is a conservative faction on the Board which seems to fear bold change, favouring populist change.
Re: Football Department Review - PaulP - 08-25-2021
(08-25-2021, 02:08 AM)Baggers link Wrote:And that will only really be known... cliche warning... in the fullness of time. Yep, there will no doubt be an avalanche of opinion and speculation as to the effectiveness of the changes. But again, we'll only know whether the changes are right, wrong, good, bad, once they've been implemented and tested in the real world.
This, IMO, is true, but it's also a big part of the problem. There are no guarantees in anything, but these appointments have to be a lot better than guesswork. Other clubs live in the same random, morally indifferent universe as us, and they seem to be getting these decisions right more often than not. Part of the professional aspect of decision making is to make good decisions that don't turn into problems later, and I'm not convinced we're there yet.
Re: Football Department Review - Baggers - 08-25-2021
(08-25-2021, 02:12 AM)Lods link Wrote:I think this is the problem...
The club want to work at their own pace.
Good on them for that.
But what it does is leave an 'information void.'
Media and supporters will fill that with their own assumptions.
We're shooting at shadows that may not even be there.
I don't think we have a united playing group but I really have nothing concrete to support that theory.
Does Cripps not like Teague, does Teague not like Cripps.
Do Cripps and Weitering not hang together at playlunch.
We're suffering a bit of media damage at the moment but the focus will come off a bit once the finals start.
Get the major announcements out of the way in the next few days and we'll have some good distractions to occupy everyone once the weekend games begin.
Well said.
The media condemnations and criticisms thus far I interpret as, "I don't understand, I don't know, I haven't got a decision to comment on... and I've cracked the sh1ts about that." I say, stiff. Focus on the finals.
Fractures in the playing group don't bother me so much as they can be very quickly remedied once a clear direction has been sold to them.
Re: Football Department Review - Baggers - 08-25-2021
(08-25-2021, 02:14 AM)PaulP link Wrote:This, IMO, is true, but it's also a big part of the problem. There are no guarantees in anything, but these appointments have to be a lot better than guesswork. Other clubs live in the same random, morally indifferent universe as us, and they seem to be getting these decisions right more often than not. Part of the professional aspect of decision making is to make good decisions that don't turn into problems later, and I'm not convinced we're there yet.
Yep, living with a lack of faith in the midst of major change asks of us trust, and that ship sailed long ago. We can only hope that the ensuing changes gradually rebuild trust. Sayers will no doubt have his work cut out for him selling these changes to some clearly, populist/risk averse inclined, Board members... who will hopefully, FO very soon.
Re: Football Department Review - tonyo - 08-25-2021
(08-25-2021, 02:08 AM)Baggers link Wrote:And that will only really be known... cliche warning... in the fullness of time. Yep, there will no doubt be an avalanche of opinion and speculation as to the effectiveness of the changes. But again, we'll only know whether the changes are right, wrong, good, bad, once they've been implemented and tested in the real world.
'Success has many fathers, while failure is an orphan'
When things work out, the architects are seen as geniuses - cue Brendan Gale and Peggy O'Neal.
And those who do not oversee success are branded as incompetent and unable to make appropriate decisions - cue Leigh Matthews last night.
But in this stupid game, there is so much luck involved - injuries, the draw, Covid-like interruptions - so it's a bit like trying to complete a jigsaw when you only have a vague idea of what the picture is. I think it's fair to say we have had the wrong end of the luck stick for 2 or 3 years, even though I know some of you will say you make your own luck.
So how do you know if it's the right change? Simple, when combined with a fair dose of luck, 2-3 years later you win a flag.
Re: Football Department Review - northernblue - 08-25-2021
It also begs the question Baggers, if you have such a mindset for change, how could you have possibly sat on that board for 9 years !?
I would have been able to muster no more than 6 months at best personally !