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Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - DJC - 11-08-2018
(11-08-2018, 11:04 AM)Professer E link Wrote:He cocked his wrist, which is what they all do. He was the scapegoat in a witch hunt, buts that's a discussion for another time.
Believe it not, I saw him down the nets a fortnight ago, with Bill Lawry in tow. Ian's son or grandson (I'm not sure which) plays for seniors at my kids' club.
I remember reading an article in which the writer described being shown a film of a bowler by Don Bradman. The writer identified the left arm bowler as Meckiff by his action. Bradman then reversed the film and explained that it was footage of Ray Lindwall ...
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 11-08-2018
Memory fails me, but around that time Ray was brought back for a final test as a replacement and he described himself as "the last of the real bowlers". There was a view that all left arm quick were chuckers..... A view carried through to Mitch Johnson with his slingy action.
Left arm bowlers, by gads, sinistrists! It's just not cricket by Jove!
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - LP - 11-08-2018
(11-08-2018, 08:45 PM)DJC link Wrote:I remember reading an article in which the writer described being shown a film of a bowler by Don Bradman. The writer identified the left arm bowler as Meckiff by his action. Bradman then reversed the film and explained that it was footage of Ray Lindwall ...
That's Pareidolia at work, you can't un-see something once you see it.
btw, at a sportsmen night I've seen a similar trick done with a silhouette technique, you would swear Ricky Ponting's throwing action was Muralitharan bowling!
But lets not get those far more subtle effects like Meckiff, Brett Lee's bouncers, Tait and Malinga compared to the situation in the Whatmore / Muralitharan scenario. Anyone with half a cents worth of consideration for the game could foresee where this would lead, and the officials ignored it out of fear at being labelled a racist! Now there is a whole generation of "pitchers" coming through junior sub-continent cricket, the actions are barely recognisable as bowling!
The real tragedy for me is the record of a bowler like Warne or Lillee will slip into obscurity next to the stats the pitchers will accumulate. Some of the pitchers will be able to play into their 40s to a high level!
For posters who like to take the moderate approach claiming nobody will take it to the extreme for advantage, check out this video.
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1060255516109271040
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - malo - 11-08-2018
(11-08-2018, 09:06 PM)LP link Wrote:That's Pareidolia at work, you can't un-see something once you see it.
btw, at a sportsmen night I've seen a similar trick done with a silhouette technique, you would swear Ricky Ponting's throwing action was Muralitharan bowling!
But lets not get those far more subtle effects like Meckiff, Brett Lee's bouncers, Tait and Malinga compared to the situation in the Whatmore / Muralitharan scenario. Anyone with half a cents worth of consideration for the game could foresee where this would lead, and the officials ignored it out of fear at being labelled a racist! Now there is a whole generation of "pitchers" coming through junior sub-continent cricket, the actions are barely recognisable as bowling!
The real tragedy for me is the record of a bowler like Warne or Lillee will slip into obscurity next to the stats the pitchers will accumulate. Some of the pitchers will be able to play into their 40s to a high level!
For posters who like to take the moderate approach claiming nobody will take it to the extreme for advantage, check out this video.
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1060255516109271040
Trouble is, bowlers with dodgy actions should never be allowed to get to the elite level.....but junior coaches & umpires are too scared now to call any kid out on it in their formative years. The longer they get away with it (and most of the time they don't know they're doing anything wrong) the harder it is to correct them later, especially if they're successful !
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 11-08-2018
I was banned from coaching at a club because I made them all bowl and weeded out those with bent arms. Session after session of remedial work on some kids, taught thousands how to bowl. Left, right, pace, spin, all types of kids and bowling. More than one parent had a go at me over the issue of bodgy actions. I'm of the opinion that if you get kids early and coach them properly they don't fall into irreparable technique issues.
As others have said, if you want to throw, plenty of baseball clubs around.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - LP - 11-09-2018
(11-08-2018, 09:56 PM)malo link Wrote:Trouble is, bowlers with dodgy actions should never be allowed to get to the elite level.....but junior coaches & umpires are too scared now to call any kid out on it in their formative years. The longer they get away with it (and most of the time they don't know they're doing anything wrong) the harder it is to correct them later, especially if they're successful !
The trouble it's a chicken and egg argument, the kids allowed to persist with dodgy actions end up taking more wickets because they can do the seemingly impossible with the ball.
Next thing you know some win at all costs spud bookmaker wants them in the test side!
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 11-09-2018
Another send off from Rabada, guess they'll suspend again whatever slap on the wrist he gets. Gee, aren't some if these players really heeding officials and changing their behaviour for the better?
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Jack Burton - 11-09-2018
Australian cricketers are forced to play on a different playing field than anyone else, and I just don't understand why we are doing this to ourselves. Better just get used to losing I guess. Nothing will be said about what Rabada did, but if an Australian bowler did the same thing it would be front page news. Mystifying
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 11-09-2018
Personally I reckon send offs make you look like an utter dick.
I agree Jack, if Starc did it, could you imagine the outrage?
Next time he faces up I'd make sure the first ball is at the base of leg stump. The second would be at his throat. I'd make sure there would be a comment from a close in fielder like "send that off mate" just to underscore the message.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 11-09-2018
BTW, where's the umpire in this incident? When I was playing it was "captain, come here. Control your player or he's on report".