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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 08-11-2020

(08-11-2020, 01:40 PM)Lods link Wrote:There's a  little bit of 'not so subtle' politicking going on.
I think some of them realise there will be a reckoning once this is done and dusted.

Scomo and Andrews are almost at pains to assert how closely co-operative they are but....

Andrews (who I credit for fronting up each day) will constantly make the point that Aged Care is a Commonwealth responsibility.
That may be the case, but he frames it like the state is actually coming to the 'rescue' of the Commonwealth in coping with the issues in this sector.

For the conservatives.... Morrison is staying above it while letting his attack dogs like Hunt and Frydenberg loose to make the attacks.

The right wing commentators are also laying the boot in.

The last thing we need at the moment is political point scoring...even subtle stuff.
Folks will eventually be held accountable, but now is not the time for political games.
100%, now is not the time, there is a common enemy to defeat, band together to get it done.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 08-11-2020

(08-11-2020, 09:54 PM)LP link Wrote:Have you seen how flaky some of the bureaucrats are that have been involved in this just to get their hands onto the gravy train?

I suspect one or two politicians might well fall on their sword at the end of this, it probably won;t take much encouragement at all, but that is a long long way from done yet. If they walked away mid-fight they'd be scum for all eternity.

However, I suspect those OH&S type stair climbing megalomaniac bureaucrats are in for a hell of a shock when the audits are done, a bunch of them are going to the wall, that seems to be already in motion!
I read today a class action law firm is fielding enquiries from companies keen to take on the Andrews Gov. Just wait until the aged care homes come under attack by angry relatives who have lost loved ones under their care, then you'll see fireworks.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 08-11-2020

(08-11-2020, 10:04 PM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:I read today a class action law firm is fielding enquiries from companies keen to take on the Andrews Gov. Just wait until the aged care homes come under attack by angry relatives who have lost loved ones under their care, then you'll see fireworks.
Not just that but hospitals.

I worry that the administrative types will buck pass responsibility to the ward staff, There are lots of non-COVID related legal cases that will go forward where the current isolation rules, staff levels, or lack of resources have apparently contributed to a death. Several elderly COVID free people have passed due to pulmonary aspiration events in ICU, it does happen but the numbers are drastically up and it will be assumed by the lawyers that is because they are getting a lower level of attention than they would have normally.

A smart government would be putting some protective laws in place right now to stop the legal bastards profiteering. I've no problem with genuine compensation, but that shouldn't be funding someone's retirement villa in Portsea or Sorrento!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 08-11-2020

(08-11-2020, 10:04 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I read today a class action law firm is fielding enquiries from companies keen to take on the Andrews Gov. Just wait until the aged care homes come under attack by angry relatives who have lost loved ones under their care, then you'll see fireworks.

Most of the worst culprits in the aged care facilities are privately owned.

The publically run nursing homes are the ones that actually have managed to succesfully avert COVID disasters.

Why?  They actually had process, procedure, and PPE in place.

The privately owned ones are socialising their stuff ups, and capitalising their profits.

I dont see how Andrews government is culpable in that environment.

A lot of intellectual lightweights are slinging mud over these issues.  I have seen one where supposedly families of patients were being offered cash to list their families death as a COVID death and people actually believed it.  Why would families of deceased accept this, and why would the nursing homes offer it when it implicates them in being culpable for the transmission?

Anyway, it will be very interesting to see what unfolds. 



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 08-12-2020

(08-11-2020, 11:36 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Most of the worst culprits in the aged care facilities are privately owned.
They're the ones I was mainly referring to, I hope their insurances are up to date.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 08-12-2020

The Federal gov puts over $12Bpa of taxpayer money into private aged care. We must demand much tougher oversight of how well this money is being used to provide the essential services. Sounds to me that there are a lot of piggy snouts in the trough! The gov is still responsible even if service provision.has been outsourced to for profit companies .


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 08-12-2020

(08-12-2020, 01:13 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:The Federal gov puts over $12Bpa of taxpayer money into private aged care. We must demand much tougher oversight of how well this money is being used to provide the essential services. Sounds to me that there are a lot of piggy snouts in the trough! The gov is still responsible even if service provision.has been outsourced to for profit companies .

Federal or State government?

Does this mean that the federal government need to save face, and might decide to paint the picture that its all state governments fault?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 08-12-2020

(08-12-2020, 01:46 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Federal or State government?

Does this mean that the federal government need to save face, and might decide to paint the picture that its all state governments fault?

Federal as I understand it.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 08-12-2020

(08-12-2020, 01:55 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Federal as I understand it.
Who cares who runs it, when there is an emergency locals need to respond. Do we wait for the Queen to send firefighters when there's a fire on crown land?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 08-12-2020

(08-12-2020, 01:55 AM)cookie2 date Wrote:Federal as I understand it.
Correct, responsibility for aged care became a Federal Gov responsibility years ago, but of course that doesn't mean States can wash their hands of it and do not have a role to play or can't boost the circumstances. I think that has been that way for almost a decade now.

It seems to me there is a game of pass the parcel, the Feds accuse the State of doing the bare minimum or nothing, the State accuses the Feds of not doing enough!

Ironically, historically the Feds accused the States of dropping the ball and rorting the system, and the Federal solution put in place more ways for the dodgy corporate entities to rort the system! In many ways it parallels the rorting of the Fed controlled training schemes, work for the dole, etc., etc.. Perhaps we need to ask Andrew "Vlad" Demetriou for some advice?