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Re: General Discussions - Thryleon - 07-29-2022
(07-29-2022, 06:44 AM)Mav link Wrote:But if you wore a uniform provided by your employer and your employer had the right to put a ? on it, you’d wear it then, wouldn’t you …
I refused.
I also didn't put a badge with he/him on it.
Didn't use the signature with pronouns either.
None of it necessary or important. I went to work to earn a crust not be socially engineered.
The look I got when I refused the ribbon from the people handing them out. You would think I shot Bambi. My Muslim counterpart refused too.
If I wasn't Christian. Id still refuse. Christianity has nothing to do with the price of fish.
Re: General Discussions - Mav - 07-29-2022
In other words, in your case there was no contractual obligation, so you were in a different position to footballers who have an obligation to do so in their contracts. Apples, oranges.
Re: General Discussions - kruddler - 07-29-2022
(07-29-2022, 09:31 AM)PaulP link Wrote:So, because I'm not Mother Teresa, Gandhi, and JI Rodale rolled into one, and because I don't have limitless funds to upgrade my car, house, and give my wage away and live off a few pennies, I must be a hypocrite because I think some players should wear a stripey jumper once per year ?You said there is more than enough time to support all the causes. I took issue with this.
Quote:I think there is more than enough time to do your bit, even with the plethora of causes that exist in what is IMO a broken world.I'm just pointing out there is plenty to do, and not enough time. SO people pick and choose what they will and won't ACTIVELY support.
Apathy does not equal opposition.
Thus, just because they do not support, does not mean they are opposed.
...and as mentioned, there could be other reasons they do not support.
Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 07-29-2022
(07-29-2022, 10:04 AM)kruddler link Wrote:You said there is more than enough time to support all the causes. I took issue with this.I'm just pointing out there is plenty to do, and not enough time. SO people pick and choose what they will and won't ACTIVELY support.
Apathy does not equal opposition.
Thus, just because they do not support, does not mean they are opposed.
...and as mentioned, there could be other reasons they do not support.
this is what I said :
I think there is more than enough time to do your bit, even with the plethora of causes that exist in what is IMO a broken world. You don't have to give your life to a cause, but there are plenty of things to be done, even if they're only small.
I emphasize small gestures that are manageable by the average person, and you come out with a hit list that no human could ever meet, and then say I'm a hypocrite. Righto then.
(07-29-2022, 09:04 AM)kruddler link Wrote:In a modern world, in a modern age, we should take into account peoples mental health. Perhaps Manly jumper dissenters did so because they would be bullied and/or teased by family and/or friends for doing so. Some extreme measure could involved being disowned.
Should they not be allowed to say no to wearing something that could lead to their family and/or friends disowning them?
If that's the case, then why not come out and say it, instead of hiding behind some flaky Theological pretense ? It's been obvious all along. All of us are motivated by a need for security, a need to belong, all of us seek validation and acceptance by our tribe and our community. Nobody wants to be ostracized. Being the lone dissenter is worse for some people than being the spare pr1ck at a Jewish wedding. I get it.
Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 07-29-2022
(07-29-2022, 10:04 AM)kruddler link Wrote:........................................
Thus, just because they do not support, does not mean they are opposed.
.............................................................
So if you don't support the pride jumper, and you don't oppose the pride jumper, this means what exactly ?
Re: General Discussions - kruddler - 07-29-2022
(07-29-2022, 10:38 AM)PaulP link Wrote:this is what I said :Its a quicker version of the same point.
I think there is more than enough time to do your bit, even with the plethora of causes that exist in what is IMO a broken world. You don't have to give your life to a cause, but there are plenty of things to be done, even if they're only small.
I emphasize small gestures that are manageable by the average person, and you come out with a hit list that no human could ever meet, and then say I'm a hypocrite. Righto then.
I could ask, what have you done in your life to......Save the whales?
etc etc etc
Until it gets to the point where you haven't done anything. Then i can call you a hypocrite as you said there was time for all the causes.
There simply isn't and no matter which way you slice it, there is simply too much to care about in the world to focus on it all.
(07-29-2022, 10:38 AM)PaulP link Wrote:If that's the case, then why not come out and say it, instead of hiding behind some flaky Theological pretense ? It's been obvious all along. All of us are motivated by a need for security, a need to belong, all of us seek validation and acceptance by our tribe and our community. Nobody wants to be ostracized. Being the lone dissenter is worse for some people than being the spare pr1ck at a Jewish wedding. I get it.Why do they need to? There private life is their own.
Why do they need to justify anything to anyone. They have their opinion and it is what it is.
Do they need to say that when they were younger they were raped by someone while they were wearing a rainbow t-shirt and the rapist commented on the t-shirt and it brings back bad memories and they vowed to never wear anything rainbow again?!
Look, i don't know why they have an issue with something seemingly so easy to go along with, and so beneficial to plenty out there.
I don't understand it, but i don't need to.
The choice is their own....and they are entitled to it.
Re: General Discussions - kruddler - 07-29-2022
(07-29-2022, 10:46 AM)PaulP link Wrote:So if you don't support the pride jumper, and you don't oppose the pride jumper, this means what exactly ?meh.
Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 07-29-2022
(07-29-2022, 10:57 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Its a quicker version of the same point.
I could ask, what have you done in your life to......Save the whales?
etc etc etc
Until it gets to the point where you haven't done anything. Then i can call you a hypocrite as you said there was time for all the causes.
There simply isn't and no matter which way you slice it, there is simply too much to care about in the world to focus on it all..............................
If you can't be bothered reading what I actually wrote, or if your comprehension skills have slipped since I last frequented these forums, then there's not much to say.
Re: General Discussions - kruddler - 07-29-2022
(07-29-2022, 11:04 AM)PaulP link Wrote:If you can't be bothered reading what I actually wrote, or if your comprehension skills have slipped since I last frequented these forums, then there's not much to say.
Quote:I think there is more than enough time to do your bit, even with the plethora of causes that exist in what is IMO a broken world. You don't have to give your life to a cause, but there are plenty of things to be done, even if they're only small.
Can you remember what you wrote?
What have you done to save the whales?
Re: General Discussions - Thryleon - 08-01-2022
Someone had to start this new conversation given the talk about an Indigenous voice in parliament.
I want to state that I have no opposition to an indigenous voice in parliament up front, so people can understand that what I am about to state next, doesn't come from anywhere but a genuine confusion on what this whole shemozzle of an idea is about.
Parliamentary officials, are elected to represent the people and govern on their behalf. I am genuinely confused, as to why they are now creating a position, which doubles up on their duty. Indigenous people, have the right to vote, and have the ability to vote for their representatives if they wish to do so.
What exactly is this whole endeavour for, and whom does it benefit? The answer to me is clear, the pigs at the trough get another position to ensure that no indigenous aspiring politican takes their seat. Id rather see some indigenous people running for seats in the next election, than simply creating yet another virtue signalled position in government.
The politicians continue to take the mickey out of us and then ride the gravy train into retirement when people are struggling to put food on the table and power their houses in the current economic environment.