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Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - LP - 08-12-2024
(08-12-2024, 01:21 AM)Baggers date Wrote:Noticed the same thing.We need blokes like H and Charlie to wear ultra-stretchy jumpers, sure opponents can grab them easier but it sticks out like dog's ballz to the umpire!
The skin tight kit shizen is wrong thinking, it's a generalisation, suits some positions and players, is exactly wrong for others!
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - Thryleon - 08-12-2024
We shouldn't over react imho.
Russell is going. That's the apparent repeated injury cause going. If that's the case then we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water, cycle through the list in a controlled manner, bring in liam mcmahon and reward his season as a rookie/top up, go get the next Sam Collins from wherever in the state leagues and then revisit with much the same list, bar about 6 changes.
We aren't that far off, just need to get rolling.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - crashlander - 08-12-2024
(08-12-2024, 12:37 AM)shawny link Wrote:Been hearing this for the last 10 years. How many times can we blame bad luck or lack or personnel.Actually, I'd love to see the stats, but we haven't had a full list to select from since early 1996. Not for a single game in 28 years. As Richmond have shown this year, you take away a significant part of the better players for a significant part of the season and it is very hard to win.
We lost many games when the injury list was not what it is now.
As a club we continued to persist with guys on pit list that just cant stay on the park for any sort of extended time without breaking down so it's our fault its not luck.
And then we go out last year and waste a spot on another one in the same basket.
I was hoping that we'd turn that around when we appointed Russell, but that hasn't been the case. Last year we didn't have huge numbers missing and we (mostly) did well. This year, we have missed key personnel for extended periods. That is not sustainable.
I don't know if that can be explained as 'bad luck' or something more sinister, but it is a fact. Teams with intact lists going deep into Sept, teams that don't tend to struggle.
That is not to say that injury is our only problem; it isn't. But injury is a significant factor in our fall.
I would like our recruiters to recruit guys who don't have extended histories of injury.
I would like us to recruit another tall defender, and some real pace to go with our midfield grunt.
I would like our game plan to be more flexible.
I would like our coaching staff to be more reactive during a game, when things are not working.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - Gointocarlton - 08-12-2024
Thinking about the game again, watch the opening minute and you will see what's wrong with the team.
First centre bounce, ball hits the deck, Pitto becomes useless, Meek picks it up, runs away and kicks it fwd, our slow mids trailing the Hawthorn players. IIRC, Newman leaves his man unnecessarily, loose players everywhere in the fwd line and the opening goal ensues.
Our defence has been terrible for weeks and again nothing is corrected, not even at the opening bounce of a do or die game. If you ask my household (or my neighbours) about my opening play comments and level they were delivered at and I knew how our day was going to pan out (even if we didn't get any injuries). Defences win premierships, ours has cost us an opportunity at one.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - madbluboy - 08-12-2024
TDK's super form covered our weaknesses, since he first got injured in the first quarter of the Giants game we have been exposed.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-12-2024
(08-12-2024, 09:07 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Thinking about the game again, watch the opening minute and you will see what's wrong with the team.Leigh Montagna has been very critical of our defense and the ease of which Hawthorn penetrated and lack of effort on our behalf.
First centre bounce, ball hits the deck, Pitto becomes useless, Meek picks it up, runs away and kicks it fwd, our slow mids trailing the Hawthorn players. IIRC, Newman leaves his man unnecessarily, loose players everywhere in the fwd line and the opening goal ensues.
Our defence has been terrible for weeks and again nothing is corrected, not even at the opening bounce of a do or die game. If you ask my household (or my neighbours) about my opening play comments and level they were delivered at and I knew how our day was going to pan out (even if we didn't get any injuries). Defences win premierships, ours has cost us an opportunity at one.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - PaulP - 08-12-2024
Coaches' votes. I post this for completeness only. Just caps off a pretty sorry day.
9 Dylan Moore (HAW)
9 Massimo D'Ambrosio (HAW)
6 James Sicily (HAW)
4 Joshua Weddle (HAW)
2 Jarman Impey (HAW)
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - Gointocarlton - 08-12-2024
(08-12-2024, 09:13 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Leigh Montagna has been very critical of our defense and the ease of which Hawthorn penetrated and lack of effort on our behalf.Many experts have pointed it out and reckon its an easy fix. Yeah right.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - madbluboy - 08-12-2024
(08-12-2024, 09:22 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Many experts have pointed it out and reckon its an easy fix. Yeah right.
On two occasions they had 3 players running into an open goal. The game was still on then and that was like giving up.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - Professer E - 08-12-2024
How do we nab players like Massimo for FA....? . When we were Megabad we had to pay way overs for half baked crap. Thirty years of bad and the whorks are down for all of three seconds.