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Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - kruddler - 07-07-2024
(07-07-2024, 04:09 AM)LP link Wrote:My proposal is referentially self-consistent, I'm not contradicting my own case like your posts.
You can't have your cake and eat it, you can't have more players on the ground providing less run and still have maximum run and carry no matter what you do with bench time. It's obvious.
Your solution comes at the very cost you have spent weeks maximally arguing against.
My proposal comes at a cost, bench time for Mids will be reduced, but the flexibility it brings is the option to reshuffle and offer cover for unexpected circumstances at both ends of the ground.
You can when you are carrying someone every week in Fantasia.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - Thryleon - 07-07-2024
(07-07-2024, 01:06 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Fogarty took plenty of centre bounces. Not sure thats a long term solution but its a thing.Yep I think we agree that we stuffed up selection.
Personally i'd prefer to see Fantasia out and swapped with someone like Cuningham or Motlop as they would be more effective up forward and through the middle.
Of course we still have Hewett hanging around as well.
Hewett is better than a few we carried yesterday.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-07-2024
Ben McKay or L.Young probably would have played on Riccardi...Weitering had to play on Hogan imo not Kemp but with the speed of entry and lack of pressure even Weitering would have been struggling to stop Hogan who was leading well and kicking straight.
Toby Greene wasnt a real factor either and Boyd did a good job restricting him to two goals so Imho our problems began and ended in the middle of the ground.
We didnt have one winner in the middle imo, Cripps broke even but the rest were well beaten or restricted from their usual output.
Cerra and Cottrell looked off the pace and need more tough minutes of game time...
Hewett and Owies non selections in the 22 was a feckup and as per every season we usually give the opposition in some games a head start by strange MC selections...that stuff drives me crazy and reeks of a cocky over confident approach especially when we have some players fresh back from injury like Cerra and Cottrell.
Cant whinge about Weitering either as they had Taylor out, it does show though we probably need at least one taller type on the bench who can play a few positions and give us cover and flexibility but thats not a one trick only ruckman who would have only made us slower.
Another issue for me is the lack of innovation at times shown by Voss who has coached well this season but I would have shuffled the team more looking to break the grip GWS had on the game in the second quarter.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - LP - 07-07-2024
(07-07-2024, 04:12 AM)kruddler date Wrote:You can when you are carrying someone every week in Fantasia.Yesterday, BigH was red hot in the opening term, then TDK rolls his ankle and our red hot KPF is moved up the ground and out of F50
simply because we went into the game without a viable plan B. That's not a viable option, it's not a plan, taking our only functional KPF and sending them out of goal range is insanity.
Some want to point at Jackson replacing Darcy in yesterday's Freo game, but Jackson for Darcy's was the back up plan not the starting solution. Jackson gets to do what he did for 1/2 a game because Darcy had shouldered the early load. we can have a similar scenario, we have a very similar Midfield and we have a far stronger F50.
What's harder to find, a functional KPF or a competitive ruck?
The game was then over for the next 2-1/2 qtrs, what happened in the last was all too late and too little, partly triggered by GWS' own moves.
The same will likely happen on GF Day if we suffer a similar circumstance. Sure it's rare, but so are GF appearances.
What we did in the last quarter yesterday isn't sustainable, it comes at a huge cost and it will impact us in the coming weeks, that impact will also come on top of any potential injuries from putting legless blokes back on the field.
Next week, TDK, Weiters and maybe McGovern could be our new Rnd 17 Kennedy.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - cookie2 - 07-07-2024
(07-07-2024, 04:00 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Defense wasnt the issue, the ball went down there too quickly and without any pressure, they stacked their team with runners and we couldnt get the ball in the 2nd and 3rd quarters as they were hitting every pass , spreading well, and were too pacy for our slower onballers who looked like treacle.100%
Cripps, Walsh and TDK have to win their positions well for us to control and win games and they didnt.......same thing happened vs the Swans. Thats the Blueprint to beat us and it wont happen often but there are those teams like the Swans and GWS on their own home decks who have the equipment and gamestyle to trouble us.
I thought TDK got monstered by their ruckman
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - kruddler - 07-07-2024
(07-07-2024, 04:30 AM)LP link Wrote:Yesterday, BigH was red hot in the opening term, then TDK rolls his ankle and our red hot KPF is moved up the ground and out of F50Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. We'd kicked 1 goal before TDK got injured.
simply because we went into the game without a viable plan B. That's not a viable option, it's not a plan, taking our only functional KPF and sending them out of goal range is insanity.
What's harder to find, a functional KPF or a competitive ruck?
The game was then over for the next 2-1/2 qtrs, what happened in the last was all too late and too little, partly triggered by GWS' own moves.
The same will likely happen on GF Day if we suffer a similar circumstance. Sure it's rare, but so are GF appearances.
What we did in the last quarter yesterday isn't sustainable, it comes at a huge cost and it will impact us in the coming weeks, that impact will also come on top of any potential injuries from putting legless blokes back on the field.
Next week, TDK, Weiters and maybe McGovern are our new Kennedy.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1809523226240029017
1. Harry was rucking in parts of the first quarter when he was on fire.
2. Where did TDK injure himself? In defense helping out.
Best we not hurt out KPPs by rucking them, they might get hurt.
Maybe we shouldnt expect our rucks to act like KPPs, they might get hurt!
Maybe what happened yesterday is unavoidable and extenuating circumstances.
Trying to be prepared for the 2% chance of covering for an injured ruck, might mean you don't win enough games to make the GF because you are playing sub-standard players like Young to cover in such instances.
How about we play to our strengths.
Use our super athletic CHF giant to help out in the ruck.
Use our super strong and tall midfield to help out in the ruck.
Young plays last night, i dont think we win that game. There was no other options to play.
Midfield was sub-par, but that was not because of our ruck efforts.
It was because we played Kennedy despite having his leg amputated the week before in a nasty ruck clash and dropped Hewett.....and because we keep persisting with Fantasia at the expense of Owies (this week) and Cuningham, Motlop, Martin (when fit).
Cottrell.....maybe came in too soon to be effective as well. He has missed A LOT of football.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - LP - 07-07-2024
(07-07-2024, 04:32 AM)cookie2 date Wrote:100%In fairness to TDK, it was after he injured himself, you could see he couldn't put any pressure on his foot and wasn't able to jump or was told not to risk jumping, we will never know.
I though TDK got monstered by their ruckman
Before that he dominated, in fact he and BigH were dominating early.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-07-2024
(07-07-2024, 04:32 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:100%TDK got some clearances and was handy around the ground but Briggs made sure he didnt dominate like we need him to and won the hitouts easily.
I though TDK got monstered by their ruckman
I think TDK will appreciate playing on English this week from the WB who is less of the push and shove type ruck and more the athletic type similar to himself. Briggs does a lot of pushing often before the ball is in the contest and reminds me of Nankervis, neither can jump like our man but like to make contact early and then stand their ground and use their strength.
I wouldnt be rushing to pick Pittonet this week either just based on that game....
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - kruddler - 07-07-2024
(07-07-2024, 04:43 AM)LP link Wrote:In fairness to TDK, it was after he injured himself, you could see he couldn't put any pressure on his foot and wasn't able to jump or was told not to risk jumping, we will never know.
Before that he dominated, in fact he and BigH were dominating early.
He got injured in the first 5 minutes. Look at what i just posted showing him on the bench with the time showing.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - kruddler - 07-07-2024
(07-07-2024, 04:44 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:TDK got some clearances and was handy around the ground but Briggs made sure he didnt dominate like we need him to and won the hitouts easily.
I think TDK will appreciate playing on English this week from the WB who is less of the push and shove type ruck and more the athletic type similar to himself. Briggs does a lot of pushing often before the ball is in the contest and reminds me of Nankervis, neither can jump like our man but like to make contact early and then stand their ground and use their strength.
I wouldnt be rushing to pick Pittonet this week either just based on that game....
English got concussed, so won't be him.
I'd rest TDK and let Pitto have his way.