(03-16-2024, 11:34 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:No. He was playing better than that.  He wasn't a highlight reel player, he was just rucking well for a quarter or two and taking a strong mark every week that was eye popping. Then there is the fact that he hits the scoreboard, and genuinely creates panic when he drifts forward because he's athletic and can actually play as a forward.

(03-17-2024, 02:10 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I don't get any knocks on TDK... coming along nicely.

Still concerned with Hollands... yes, fantastic at 'pressure acts', first rate, but still seems to fumble with his offensive game. Yep, just a kid, too light and is learning, and maybe what he is doing at present is exactly what the coaches want from him, but I'd like to see him develop being dangerous with aggott in hand.

And I'm not in the pumping up Young group. Yep, doing a job, and doing it adequately. Does look better than last year but is that just feint praise? (Threw that in for you, Ye Rat O' the River    ;D  - sorry folks, its an 'in joke' between us). What One of the things that Young lacks is authority, which Weiters has in spades (yeah, yeah I know comparisons are unfair on Young... but the bottom line is that Weiters brings a great deal to our defense, and with him there, our defense is at its best which is what we want - our best).

(03-17-2024, 03:24 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I don't want to start this whole debate again, but you are proving my point. He 'hits the scoreboard'....Its a bit of an exageration of his efforts. He only averages a goal every 3 games.
Mitch McGovern averages almost a goal a game and he's been played in defence for half his career.
Silvagni averages 3 goals every 4 games.
Cripps averages over half a goal a game.

People remember the good things he does, but remember them happening more than they actually do. His actual output has been relatively poor considering the hype.
Thats why i come across as negative, because i point out he hasn't been as good as people say. Showing potential, absolutely. Not maximising it......yet.

(03-17-2024, 12:42 AM)DJC link Wrote:Why do we lose run and creativity with Young and Weitering playing together?

(03-17-2024, 03:42 AM)DJC link Wrote:Young has been our only tall key defender in both games.  In Round Zero, he had Daniher, Hipwood and, occasionally, McInerney to contend with.  Daniher managed 14 disposals and one goal and Hipwood had 9 disposals and one goal.  Young had 14 disposals, took 6 marks and made 7 spoils. 

Young played mostly on Lynch in Round One and, yes, you could argue that Lynch was underdone but he is still one of the premier key forwards in the game.  Lynch had 10 disposals and kicked two goals, both from soft free kicks (one against De Koning).  Young had 17 disposals (at 94%), took 10 marks and made six spoils. 

(03-17-2024, 03:24 AM)kruddler link Wrote:People remember the good things he does, but remember them happening more than they actually do. His actual output has been relatively poor considering the hype.
Thats why i come across as negative, because i point out he hasn't been as good as people say. Showing potential, absolutely. Not maximising it......yet.

(03-17-2024, 04:25 AM)northernblue link Wrote:Weiters for all his attributes is not a dasher, if Young stays in then one of McGovern or kemp goes out… therefore attack is reduced

(03-17-2024, 05:18 AM)RiverRat link Wrote:How many of Young's 16 marks were contested or intercept marks compared with short pass-uncontested marks provided by teammates?

(03-17-2024, 06:22 AM)Lods link Wrote:It's the old 'unholy trinity' of player evaluation.
Observation, Statistics and Bias

Each has it's limitations.
Observation-What someone sees at the ground is different to what someone views on the television. Small efforts/ one percenters can be picked up on the vision or totally missed through both mediums depending on your concentration at the time or your position in the stands.

Statistics- are useful but are notoriously dubious because they are a raw figure that can describe a number of sceanrios.
As an example10 effective kicks that go to a team-mate don't necessarily advantage a team in the same way as another ten. It's situational

and finally
Bias-even the best of us if, we have a pre-determined opinion of a player, will give a greater emphasis to the strengths or faults we see.

As an example
Poster 'A' will say-
Harry had a good game played well around the ground, missed a couple, but the good outweighed the bad."
Poster 'B' will say-
Harry missed two sitters, nearly cost us the game, momentum killer"
(You won't hear a peep about the good aspects of his game.)

It's why we see players differently....and neither is completlely right or wrong.
They're just different opinions.
And they're our opinions at different times in a player's career.

So if some say early in 2023 that TDK isn't quite reaching expectations...it's probably a fair comment.
Ask the question early in 2024 and a few folks have probably changed sides.
The trick is not to take too long before you come around or you might miss the boat.