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Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - Thryleon - 06-24-2023
Marchbank can't remain.
Between him, jsos, Kemp, Newman, plowman, young, mcgovern, and durdin, he stands out as a player who is both perennially injured and also surplus to requirements.
His best was great but plenty get injured significantly and don't get back there. Getting him on the park is one thing, getting him on the park firing is quite another.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - Gointocarlton - 06-24-2023
We need depth, we need players playing in the twos playing well ready to come in. Players constantly in the medical room like Marchbank, Martin, Williams, Philp must go ASAP. Cunningham goes into the same group if gets injured again this year.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - madbluboy - 06-24-2023
(06-24-2023, 12:44 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Now do Charlie and Doc.
re Martin, Cuningham and even Marchbank....
Their best is best 22 worthy.
We have a heap of players who we can delist first
Like Stocker lol?
I agree those guys when fit are best 22 but we can't carry them all. If Zac Williams didn't do his Achilles twice he probably would have been one of the elites of the game.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - kruddler - 06-24-2023
(06-24-2023, 09:35 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Like Stocker lol?
I agree those guys when fit are best 22 but we can't carry them all. If Zac Williams didn't do his Achilles twice he probably would have been one of the elites of the game.
I was on record saying i would've kept Stocker, but i understand why the club got rid of him.
First on the chopping block, above those you mentioned....
Philp
Fogarty
Akieu
Honey
S. Durdin
Ed. Curnow (retire)
LOB (can't believe we gave him a 2 year deal though)
Dow (trade if possible)
Fisher (trade)
Plowman (trade)
TDK (trade - cash in, or keep on small $'s)
Silvagni (trade? or keep on small $'s)
McGovern (trade? or keep on small $'s)
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-24-2023
(06-24-2023, 12:34 PM)kruddler link Wrote:I was on record saying i would've kept Stocker, but i understand why the club got rid of him.Martin, Marchbank and Cuningham should all be on that list but probably wont be for different reasons ie Martin contracted.
First on the chopping block, above those you mentioned....
Philp
Fogarty
Akieu
Honey
S. Durdin
Ed. Curnow (retire)
LOB (can't believe we gave him a 2 year deal though)
Dow (trade if possible)
Fisher (trade)
Plowman (trade)
TDK (trade - cash in, or keep on small $'s)
Silvagni (trade? or keep on small $'s)
McGovern (trade? or keep on small $'s)
Plus Im not sold on Boyd or Cottrell either and C. Durdin needs a good 2024 to survive.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - kruddler - 06-24-2023
(06-24-2023, 12:47 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Martin, Marchbank and Cuningham should all be on that list but probably wont be for different reasons ie Martin contracted.
Plus Im not sold on Boyd or Cottrell either and C. Durdin needs a good 2024 to survive.
The point of that list was to show there is no shortage of players who can be moved on (while keeping all the players you mentioned)
The difference Martin has given the side (in 2x 3/4's only) as well as Cunners for 1 game is ridiculous. We look so much better with them in it. I've been calling for their inclusions, even when only half fit, for a long time for that very reason, but the difference they have made has even surprised me.
Marchbank could slot in effortlessly next to Weiters and Kemp....and you could even keep McGovern in the side as well as a swing option, and it would make a big difference to our backline. All of those talls could play loose if matchups allow it, giving us great versatility to combat any combination that gets thrown at us.
Boyd, Cottrell and C. Durdin are not setting the world on fire and could easily get replaced long term. But right now, they are best 30 players, so its the players below them you move on first.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-24-2023
(06-24-2023, 12:53 PM)kruddler link Wrote:The point of that list was to show there is no shortage of players who can be moved on (while keeping all the players you mentioned)Marchbank is way too slow these days and we probably dont need another intercept marking defender plus we have Kemp and McGovern who really play the same position. What we really need is a taller KP defender to take over from Young who cant handle the big gorillas. As you know Im not sold at all on Martin and never have been, thought he was poor vs Ess and GC were an easy kill and he is going to have to show a lot more between now and seasons end to convince me otherwise as I have explained on other threads, same with Cuningham. I realise you cant shift 10-15 players in one season and its more likely to be 7-10 max so some will get a reprieve due to others being first in line...
The difference Martin has given the side (in 2x 3/4's only) as well as Cunners for 1 game is ridiculous. We look so much better with them in it. I've been calling for their inclusions, even when only half fit, for a long time for that very reason, but the difference they have made has even surprised me.
Marchbank could slot in effortlessly next to Weiters and Kemp....and you could even keep McGovern in the side as well as a swing option, and it would make a big difference to our backline. All of those talls could play loose if matchups allow it, giving us great versatility to combat any combination that gets thrown at us.
Boyd, Cottrell and C. Durdin are not setting the world on fire and could easily get replaced long term. But right now, they are best 30 players, so its the players below them you move on first.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 06-24-2023
(06-24-2023, 12:53 PM)kruddler date Wrote:The difference Martin has given the side (in 2x 3/4's only) as well as Cunners for 1 game is ridiculous. We look so much better with them in it. I've been calling for their inclusions, even when only half fit, for a long time for that very reason, but the difference they have made has even surprised me.People read the criticism I post about Motlop or Durdin and assume it's anti-Motlop / Durdin, but it's clear the price the team pays playing both Durdin and Motlop as AFL beginners!
Put Cunningham and Martin in and all of a sudden you gain some reliable decision making, some composure and also some commitment, now all we need is physical reliability from them and all will be good.
None of the above means in any way that Motlop and Durdin won't be good in the future, it's just about making sure they do the correct apprenticeship and are ready for AFL when they get the next chance!
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - Thryleon - 06-24-2023
Small durdin is a good prospect. He is having a bit of a form slump. Motlop is the same as he was last year. Flashes in and out of games.
Biggest issue from both is that they are currently getting where the ball isn't.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 06-27-2023
Cincotta is a big plus, the more I see of him the more he reminds me of a young Heath Scotland.