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Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Lods - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 10:43 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:One last thing, we focus alot on the negatives but by crikey we do alot right also.
Disposals +22
I50s 51 each
DE +2.1%
I50 Eff 43.1% each
HOs 31 each
Clearances +8
Centre Clearance -4 (Ill guess they were all in the first qtr)
Stoppage clearances +12
TO +3 (thought is was more)
Marks -14
Tackles 57 each
1%s +4
Often the stats seem meaningless, but they tell a story, we weren't obliterated by the best team in the comp.
A lot of it just comes down to the skill execution.
The effort is there.
Horne-Francis picks up the ball with one grab in the wet the other night and gives it off for a goal
Our blokes watch as it it goes between their legs and dribbles over the boundary line.
Jus two moments that stick with you, but are indicative of the different skill level we're playing at present.
Just watching our disposals, and why stats can sometimes tell a false story....
Watch the replay and pay attention to the number of time our players have to stretch and reach for passes.
It's only a fraction of a second, an instant, but it's enough to slow the player rather than taking it cleanly at speed.
That's an effective disposal.
But it's one that slows the receiving players momentum while he gathers to play on, often resulting with them being caught or turning the ball over.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - madbluboy - 05-21-2023
Good post Lods.
There are varying degrees of effective. You only have to watch us to see we are not effective in any meaningful way.
I have been top deck the last 2 weeks and that's where you see how poor we actually are.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - cookie2 - 05-21-2023
Most stats are measures of inputs. The outcomes are the important ones and we are currently failing in those.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Gointocarlton - 05-22-2023
(05-21-2023, 11:35 PM)Lods link Wrote:A lot of it just comes down to the skill execution.Coll kick goals 2, 3 and 4 (ie 3 in row) in the first qtr without Carl touching the footy once, that tells a story. We outscored them, all be it by a couple of point, in the second half. How many goals did they kick from the goal square due to 50m penalties or terrible defending (the Johnson hanger in the 2nd, not one player blocked his run). Attention to detail, being switched on.
The effort is there.
Horne-Francis picks up the ball with one grab in the wet the other night and gives it off for a goal
Our blokes watch as it it goes between their legs and dribbles over the boundary line.
Jus two moments that stick with you, but are indicative of the different skill level we're playing at present.
Just watching our disposals, and why stats can sometimes tell a false story....
Watch the replay and pay attention to the number of time our players have to stretch and reach for passes.
It's only a fraction of a second, an instant, but it's enough to slow the player rather than taking it cleanly at speed.
That's an effective disposal.
But it's one that slows the receiving players momentum while he gathers to play on, often resulting with them being caught or turning the ball over.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-22-2023
(05-22-2023, 12:08 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Coll kick goals 2, 3 and 4 (ie 3 in row) in the first qtr without Carl touching the footy once, that tells a story. We outscored them, all be it by a couple of point, in the second half. How many goals did they kick from the goal square due to 50m penalties or terrible defending (the Johnson hanger in the 2nd, not one player blocked his run). Attention to detail, being switched on.They just did what they had to do in the second half, we never looked like mounting a comeback.
Just a really disappointing effort from the players...
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Baggers - 05-22-2023
Just watched the 1st half again. Some observations.
JSOS into the ruck cost us at least 3 goals.
Cerra's kick into the forward line, spotting up Durdin, was so dumb I couldn't believe it... guess who Durdin's nearest Rottingwood opponent was? Cox. 1 metre player versus 5 metre player.
The number of times we kicked it to their tallest bloke on the ground (Cox) was astonishing.
We handed Moore a record number of intercepts with predictable/lazy inside 50 kicks, but I understand as there were just no more options other than H and Charles.
Acres foot disposal under pressure gave Rottingwood too many looks.
Ed... too many times - kick'nhope.
Look much better when Charles and H play well apart, eg one of them playing high half forward leading up to the aggot and the other remaining deep.
We did a lot right, just critical disposal errors and/or choice errors.
2 blatant 50s did not go our way.
I don't get the criticisms of our backline, the delivery in waves into our D50 was at times indefensible. The up-field pressure was zilch.
Hollands just doesn't hurt the opposition enough with his disposals.
For the Fluffy Ducks game: Out - Ed, JSOS, Hollands, Young & Durdin
In: TDK (for JSOS), Binns (for Hollands), Kemp (for Young), Cowan (for Ed) & Dow (for Durdin). Dow & Chugga changing midfield/half forward.
(2 small forwards only - Owies & Motlop).
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Baggers - 05-22-2023
Liked Vossy's media after the game - more authentic/himself. He's had a gutfull of poor defensive efforts from the midfield and poor in-game adjustments to handle turnover.
Vossy - get more flexible in game and please be more ruthless with blokes being 'gifted' games on hope or reputation or fear.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Lods - 05-22-2023
(05-22-2023, 12:28 AM)Baggers link Wrote:We handed Moore a record number of intercepts with predictable/lazy inside 50 kicks, but I understand as there were just no more options other than H and Charles.
I understand Kruddler's argument for playing the one ruck and using the TDK position to add the extra mid and a bit of mobility.
I just wonder whether De Koning would have been a bit of value playing some form of negating role on Moore...at least providing a contest in that respect, as well as taking a bit of the ruck work.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - madbluboy - 05-22-2023
Silvagni can't compete in the ruck contests and Pittonet can only do ruck contests. My mate said watch Pittonet after the tap, we watched and he just stood in the spot and watched all the mids fight for the ball, it came out to the guy next to him and he made like he was going to run at him but then just didn't bother to even try.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - madbluboy - 05-22-2023
Meanwhile Mason Cox looked like Dean Cox out there.