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Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - shawny - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 04:55 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Collingwood play a good contested pressure game where they make up for a lack of talent with extra effort and hard running. I dont fancy a player like Williams who is suspect in those areas coming in cold with no match fitness. He has Achilles issues and wasnt known for his endurance at GWS and imho the sub role would suit him better where if he did have to come on it would more likely be a short burst rather than having to run out a full game vs opposition who are going to be going hard for 100mins.
I just dont understand why Stocker is the player most likely to be left out and see more upside in him than Williams and would want him getting the big game experience for the future.
I like stocker I rate him ae a young player who could be a 200 game player for us but he has limitation's at the moment. I watched him very closely last week and while his first efforts are great if a passage of play requires repeat efforts he just can’t do it and his player rans off him and it happened several times on Saturday especially early in the game which tell you even more. Bradshaw burned him off many times and would take the ball with stocker on his tail and then get a 1-2 handball back and stocker was 5 metres behind and it wasn’t for stockers lack of effort it’s his fitness base and tank it’s just not there atm. People saying he should play midfield are kidding themself. He is a tough nut goes in without fear which I love but against the Pies who as you rightly say ran harder then most do he will be found out again and we can’t afford to give those pr1cks any easy transition of the ball.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 05:28 AM)shawny date Wrote:I like stocker I rate him ae a young player who could be a 200 game player for us but he has limitation's at the moment. I watched him very closely last week and while his first efforts are great if a passage of play requires repeat efforts he just can’t do it and his player rans off him and it happened several times on Saturday especially early in the game which tell you even more.Yeah, but he is not on his Pat Malone in this regard, again I repeat this, some of what happens on the D50 end of the ground is a consequence of structures and selections at the F50 end. Fans want us picking young Motlop, but his selection comes at a cost, he is way off being a deep runner like Durdin or Owies, and it only takes one to make the outnumbered scenario happen.
You play the "keepings off" game, it's like giving the opposition an on field YoYo test, then the moment you detect someone in the the opposition dropping off you all press forward and will have an extra number, it makes you almost impossible to stop. What fans see when opponents do this to us is someone like a Plowman or Newman being outnumbered at the other end of the ground, and they pay out on the poor bastard for failing to better 2 or 3 opponents, or for not being able to plug all the gaps.
In this regard I'm not sure we can have Motlop, SoJ and Martin all F50 and still find a winning formula. The problem isn't Durdin and Owies, they are mobile enough and fast enough to keep up with and even get ahead of play.
btw., I'm not anti-Motlop, it's just he has got a lot to learn and a long way to go. Owies is way ahead of both Durdin and Motlop, structurally he manages himself around the ground much much better than the others, even if he lacks the same level of raw talent. Owies won't b0rk up our own open space, drag opponents to the contest or fly against Charlie and BigH, and he runs as strongly as defensively as any player on the ground. Owies is not as good at crumbing, but he will always work hard both ways, he understands team sport.
Durdin is a good runner, but he is not as effect defensively as Owies, I'd say Durdin is the best purely attacking SF we have at the moment.
Motlop has all the tricks, but he is not fast and he might not get to where he is needed, or he gets in the way. He is miles off being a deep defensive runner, it is not natural for him to chase when he is not near goal, he tends to stop momentarily and at that time he can no longer close the gap. But he is just a kid, so you cut him some slack, but the question is can you afford to carry him when things aren't going your way?
Go back and watch Pickett from last weekend, in one moment he's tackling on the Dee's HBF, then seconds later he is crumbing in the FP. That is what AFL is all about.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - pew2 - 08-17-2022
coll lack of talent is so way off the mark ,daicos by 2,cripps,maynard,sidey,pendles,crisp,maynard 8 top players there,just hope they have a bad game sunday ,we need to bring pressure and tackling to another level.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - madbluboy - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 06:20 AM)pew2 link Wrote:coll lack of talent is so way off the mark ,daicos by 2,cripps,maynard,sidey,pendles,crisp,maynard 8 top players there,just hope they have a bad game sunday ,we need to bring pressure and tackling to another level.
They couldn't find space on that primary school ground they played on last week. Expect the side that beat Melbourne the week before to turn up.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 06:20 AM)pew2 link Wrote:coll lack of talent is so way off the mark ,daicos by 2,cripps,maynard,sidey,pendles,crisp,maynard 8 top players there,just hope they have a bad game sunday ,we need to bring pressure and tackling to another level.Sidebottom and Pendlebury are still handy but probably only have another year, Cripps plays for us(i know typo on your part
) , Maynard is a very good player, Crisp is also very good but without Grundy and Adams I think they run a bit thin for real class with the exception of the Daicos kids who are chips off the old block(Peter) and the Pies got very lucky that both brothers appear class acts with 200 games plus ahead of them each.I just think we run a bit deeper talent wise as do a lot of the other top teams compared to the Pies but Macrae has made up the difference with his ability to inspire a non stop work ethic and they dont give in easy.
If we match their effort then we win imho..........
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Thryleon - 08-17-2022
The thing that the wobbles have over everyone at the moment is a very even contribution from all players. They don't play a taxing style overly reliant on good players which is the hallmark of a good style and system.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Gointocarlton - 08-17-2022
McRae reckons Ginnivan and De Goey will be named.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 07:49 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:McRae reckons Ginnivan and De Goey will be named.They are about the same chance of playing as if you and me got named for Carlton imho.....my tip is they will rest DeGoey for the finals, if it was a final then he would play. Ginnivan probably needs a week or two out of the headlines and the cameras, he has had more exposure than Britney Spears of late and his football/nous on and off the field has mirrored her IQ.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 08:00 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:They are about the same chance of playing as if you and me got named for Carlton imho.....my tip is they will rest DeGoey for the finals, if it was a final then he would play. Ginnivan probably needs a week or two out of the headlines and the cameras, he has had more exposure than Britney Spears of late and his football/nous on and off the field has mirrored her IQ.FMD, a reinjury / worsening could be season over for Ginnivan in what is a means nothing game for the filth!
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 08:53 AM)LP link Wrote:FMD, a reinjury / worsening could be season over for Ginnivan in what is a means nothing game for the filth!Bit of theatre those selections if they happen imo, Pies coach doesnt seem that excited about this week, I wouldnt be surprised if they play a few kids, regroup after losing last round and have their eye on the bigger picture. Winning a final is probably a bigger deal than beating the old enemy and they looked real tired vs the Swans, cant see them having the hunger like we have.