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Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - Baggers - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 02:55 AM)LP link Wrote:iirc, One of TDK's very early games was against Nic Nat and against the odds, and against the predictions of all the various AFL media, TDK did very well!
Good to know. Speriamo (my friends are going to get sick of me using this new addition to the vocab...) ;D ;D
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - DJC - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 02:34 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Curious. What did they stuff up last round?
I'm not sure where your recent obsession with 7 defenders comes from.
There is probably only 4-5 defenders and 'mids' making up the last couple spots anyway.
Saad and Docherty can and have both played on the wing previously to great effect.
So swapping a Cottrel/Lob into that '7' is easy enough to do as well.
We have gone into every game this season with seven or eight defenders, until the Saints game.
Cottrell, O'Brien and Newnes are wingers who work from end to end and often help out in defence. They are not defenders in the mould of Williams, Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Stocker, Plowman, Kemp, Parks, Boyd, Weitering, Marchbank, Young and McDonald. With the exception of Young and Weitering, our defenders spend time on the interchange bench. If we don't have a seventh or eighth defender, one opposition forward will have an advantage.
We saw that against the Saints where players like Higgins and Butler were unmarked in their forward 50. Our defensive cohesion, which has been a strength all season, broke down because we had wingers trying to play as defenders. Ryan and Rioli will be relishing the prospect of being picked up by Cottrell, O'Brien or Newnes :
I should add that playing seven or eight defenders makes it possible to move Docherty or Williams to the midfield, or Kemp to the forward line.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - kruddler - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 07:59 AM)DJC link Wrote:We have gone into every game this season with seven or eight defenders, until the Saints game.
Cottrell, O'Brien and Newnes are wingers who work from end to end and often help out in defence. They are not defenders in the mould of Williams, Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Stocker, Plowman, Kemp, Parks, Boyd, Weitering, Marchbank, Young and McDonald. With the exception of Young and Weitering, our defenders spend time on the interchange bench. If we don't have a seventh or eighth defender, one opposition forward will have an advantage.
We saw that against the Saints where players like Higgins and Butler were unmarked in their forward 50. Our defensive cohesion, which has been a strength all season, broke down because we had wingers trying to play as defenders. Ryan and Rioli will be relishing the prospect of being picked up by Cottrell, O'Brien or Newnes :
OK, so you identified a problem, sure. What was the solution though?
Going into last week, i think there was a full 18 players unavailable. Many of them defenders.
Who would you want coming in?
Setterfield has been the sub, is he good enough? Or is he another midfielder?
Stocker has been injured and for whatever reason hasn't really impressed.
So who else?
Unfortunately, the cupboard is bare.
So blame the match committee if you want, but they can only pick who is available.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - kruddler - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 06:14 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:It was a simple question.Simple questions don't necessary lead to simple answers and vice versa.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - Macca37 - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 06:51 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Stocker would be an automatic selection if fit for me, a spicy backpocket makes for a good defense Imho......good Carlton teams had good backpockets going back to Ian Collins, Des English, Wayne Harmes, Dean Rice, Matty Hogg.
Don't forget Bruce Comben.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - Mav - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 10:09 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Simple questions don't necessary lead to simple answers and vice versa.I beg to differ: What’s the meaning of life? 42.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - kruddler - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 10:26 AM)Mav link Wrote:I beg to differ: What’s the meaning of life? 42.I did say vice versa.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - madbluboy - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 06:24 AM)LP link Wrote:Yes I get that, but it's a bit meaningless, you might as well ask who you'd rather ruck against Motlop or Fisher?
Nothing like that at all.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - Gointocarlton - 07-08-2022
In: Matthew Owies, Jacob Weitering
Out: Josh Honey, Brodie Kemp
MC saw what I saw with Honey, he absolutely stunk. He would have been embarrassed watching his game again. No matter how bad you're playing, if you have speed you can chase and tackle and it can get you back into the game.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - DJC - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 10:06 AM)kruddler link Wrote:OK, so you identified a problem, sure. What was the solution though?
Going into last week, i think there was a full 18 players unavailable. Many of them defenders.
Who would you want coming in?
Setterfield has been the sub, is he good enough? Or is he another midfielder?
Stocker has been injured and for whatever reason hasn't really impressed.
So who else?
Unfortunately, the cupboard is bare.
So blame the match committee if you want, but they can only pick who is available.
The simple solution is replace like with like. That is, rather than bringing Cerra in for Boyd, Stocker should have come in.
If Cerra really deserved a spot in the 22, he should have replaced a mid/small forward.
Weitering coming straight back into the team is a no brainer but he should have replaced a mid/small forward to restore the balance last week’s selections upset. Any of Cerra, Newnes, O’Brien, Cottrell and Honey could justifiably be omitted.
If Kemp had to be dropped (I’m not sure why), Stocker should have come in. As it is, we could be setting Ryan, Rioli, Petrevski-Seton and their Cripps up for easy games.