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Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs North Melbourne - Mav - 05-02-2022
(05-02-2022, 07:32 AM)WASurfer link Wrote:What's the next step then if they're going to basically ban the bump because of the potential to cause injury? Stop blokes from flying for a hanger and using the knee to get up...regularly see blokes cop a knee in the back or side of the head when someone leaps over them for a mark....time we stopped that too then. If the potential to cause injury is the benchmark, then why wasn't Darcy reported last week for jumping into Pittonet with the raised knee?Banning knees in marking contests has been seriously suggested, God forbid! I remember Fatprick Smith arguing that consistency demands that a player who makes contact with an opponent's head in a marking contest should be suspended, whether it be with the knee, elbow or any other manner.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs North Melbourne - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-02-2022
(05-02-2022, 07:48 AM)Baggers link Wrote:We only need to ask, who initiated contact? Young did not leave his line or position, he simply braced for impact. If you listen to the commentary, Moons said that Zurhaar initiated contact. End of story.Thats how I viewed it...Young approached the contest but slowed down and braced for the impact, as Buckley said on SEN what was he meant to do?, step aside and offer no contest...?
Baffles me why some reporters are stating that Young went the bump on Zurhaar... it just didn't happen that way.
If Zurhaar had Durdin in front of him and ran though him and injured him he would have got away with it, he just got unlucky it was a bigger stronger body like I said before, he likes to ride his luck being physical like when he cannoned into Liam Jones in that marking contest and badly injured him a few years ago not much duty of care shown there which some have pointed the finger at Young for...
Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs North Melbourne - Mav - 05-02-2022
(05-02-2022, 07:48 AM)Baggers link Wrote:We only need to ask, who initiated contact? Young did not leave his line or position, he simply braced for impact. If you listen to the commentary, Moons said that Zurhaar initiated contact. End of story.We've been down this road before: Plowman was suspended when he tried to spoil and O'Meara ran into his shoulder. It's eye of the beholder stuff. The club has to argue that Young moved to the ball intending to pick it up but then saw Zurhaar steaming in so fast that it would have been dangerous for him to have tried to pick it up. With Zurhaar's knees pumping and head down, it would have been dangerous for Young to continue to catch the bouncing ball with his head lowered towards Zurhaar. Then, it would be argued that he had insufficient time to do anything else but brace for contact in such a way that it would minimise the impact for both of them.
Baffles me why some reporters are stating that Young went the bump on Zurhaar... it just didn't happen that way.
But let's face it, if I were a betting man, I'd want some juicy odds if I were to bet on the Tribunal clearing Young. It's more likely than not that his appeal will fail. I just hope that this doesn't mean he'll cop an extra week.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs North Melbourne - Mav - 05-02-2022
(05-02-2022, 07:56 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Thats how I viewed it...Young approached the contest but slowed down and braced for the impact, as Buckley said on SEN what was he meant to do?, step aside and offer no contest...?The track record of arguing that it's not reasonable to ask a footballer to pull up/move aside isn't great. It's a line that older footballers love, but the Tribunal doesn't.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs North Melbourne - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-02-2022
(05-02-2022, 08:04 AM)Mav link Wrote:The track record of arguing that it's not reasonable to ask a footballer to pull up/move aside isn't great. It's a line that older footballers love, but the Tribunal doesn't.If Young moved aside and failed to contest he would have been crucified by the media and coach......Zurhaar didnt show much care for Jones when he collided with him and went through with the contest injuring both himself and Jones a few years back.
I take your point about the Tribunal not recognizing what was expected of Young as a footballer but the bigger AFL picture requiring him to put the safety of Zurhaar first. Thats fine if they are consistent but if Young was Buddy Franklin I think Young would be playing this week as its easier to be safety first when its a lesser player involved...
Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs North Melbourne - Mav - 05-02-2022
Yep, I think there's be a little bit of prejudice against defenders, even though Young is nowhere near the sort of hitman that Luke Hodge was.
Unfortunately, we know 1 thing that stands to Young's credit can't be considered: there's no sympathy for 200 cm guys who bump smaller guys (leaving aside the issue of whether it was a bump), even though Young did really well to get as low as he did. If it had been Newman rather than Young, the contact would have been made around the stomach/chest area and there'd be no issue. The AFL has declared that a choice to bump is like a Damoclean Sword: execute the perfect bump and you're okay, but if there's any miscue at all it's a suspension.
What should be considered in his favour is that at 200 cm he would not have the agility of a guy like Durdin to move off the line.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs North Melbourne - Thryleon - 05-02-2022
Quote:The MRO graded Young’s bump on Kangaroos forward Cameron Zurhaar as careless and high impact with contact to the body.
Zurhaar briefly came from the ground after colliding with Young, but was able to play out the remainder of the match.
One more reason why I hate the North Melbourne football club and their dirty tactics. They hide behind the "shinboner spirit" to play like thugs and get away with it, and the second one of their blokes cops a hit, they go "down into the rooms" to make it look worse because the second you go through concussion precautions, its a hit to the head, and a suspension to your opponent. This has happened frequently over the last few years, and I have started to really loathe such underhanded behaviour.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs North Melbourne - frostydog - 05-02-2022
And Horne Francis gets Rising Star nomination ?
Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs North Melbourne - townsendcalling - 05-02-2022
Check his AFL stats against Carroll...... No comparison, and not in favor of the big mouth!!!!
Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs North Melbourne - Mav - 05-02-2022
On On The Couch, Jon Ralph thought there was a chance the contact would be downgraded from high impact to medium impact, allowing Young to get off his suspension. Lyon, Riewoldt and Brown were okay with the 1 week but they wanted more consistency.
Jonathan Brown suggested that this was one of those few times in the year a footballer has to decide to go for the ball knowing that doing so may well injure him.