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Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - Printable Version +- Carlton Supporters Club (http://new.carltonsc.com) +-- Forum: Princes Park (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-4.html) +--- Forum: Robert Heatley Stand (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-14.html) +--- Thread: Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS (/thread-5278.html) |
Re: Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-20-2021 (06-20-2021, 06:09 AM)laj link Wrote:Dow had his career ruined early on when he was thrown into the heat of the action rather than getting to perform lesser roles as he developed. Killed his confidence. Did him no good. not all are Sam Walsh's and hit it right away.GWS must have got lucky with Taranto, Hopper, Perryman and Green then......I know Walsh is a standout player but there is just miles between Dow,LOB and the GWS kids for example. Re: Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - dodge - 06-20-2021 I didn't watch much of the game - late 2nd qtr and some of the third. Sadly, learning a new accounting system was a better option (and this one is complicated for my little head)! I am surprised that we only lost by 6 goals (only looked it up now to see the margin) I think the nature of the loss gets rid of some of the paper covering the cracks - we think we are OK because we're only losing by 4 goals every week, and if we keep persevering we'll get there eventually. We want eventually to be now. I see us toil away for goals time and time again, just for the opposition to score easy ones. Yes, we look good when we have a run on, but that's once a game and we fade quickly. We don't seem to play for each other and don't seem to be a great team. How do you build a team in a club that has had so much change that everyone is looking over their shoulder. To build a team, there must be a culture. Our culture is yoghurt. Something smelly and disgusting! Brisbane has built culture, Richmond has built culture, North will be building culture, Sydney has one etc. We will languish until this is established. We know what happened to Fisher - finishing on 99 games. I don't think it is a great message to say that Murph is not guaranteed 300 games - will only get picked if worthy. Tells me that we aren't really looking after our players that well. Negative message that filters down the club. (I get that some don't like Murph, and are happy hearing that he may not get to 300) - what about - we are working with Murph at the moment to help him get to 300 games - it will be a great achievement for him to get there. ps how good was Toby's torp on half time - amazing kick. Re: Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - PaulP - 06-20-2021 (06-20-2021, 06:19 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:GWS must have got lucky with Taranto, Hopper, Perryman and Green then......I know Walsh is a standout player but there is just miles between Dow,LOB and the GWS kids for example. I agree. Dow's confidence is no better or worse than most of his team mates. If his confidence was shot from early exposure, then how do we account for his low confidence mates ? Just being at Carlton would do it to you I reckon. Re: Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - Macca37 - 06-20-2021 (06-20-2021, 05:58 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I like Dow and want him to succeed as he has all the attributes of the modern mid in terms of size, pace, and he does attack the ball well but he just cant seem to stay composed enough or make the right decisions often enough. I want Dow to succeed, but I don't see him ever being more than an average player. I have always wondered why we selected him when it was well known that his disposal by foot was below average. It hasn't improved and he knows it. With the speed of AFL requiring quicker decision making I have seen his hesitation when he looks to handball instead of kicking because he can't trust his ability to hit a target. Re: Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-20-2021 Its interesting to compare Luke Davies Uniake and Paddy Dow...both were hot property in their draft year, both dominant at U18 level and both have struggled at senior level. Their stats in terms of disposals at senior level are about the same and their kicking isnt their strong point. LDU is marginally better placed than Dow in terms of the future IMO but is it just the case of two crap clubs unable to develop talent or did both clubs just get it wrong with their selections? Re: Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - laj - 06-20-2021 (06-20-2021, 06:19 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:GWS must have got lucky with Taranto, Hopper, Perryman and Green then......I know Walsh is a standout player but there is just miles between Dow,LOB and the GWS kids for example. Not every one is the same. We did nothing for his development early on. Now if he was with a good club that develops well how would have it turned out. If he was Richmondised. GWSised instead of Carltonised it may well have been alot different. How would those others have gone in a crappy team where they were chucked to the wolves early in their career rather than have a very deep midfield allowing them to develop in lesser roles. Could have struggled too. Maybe if Dow was recruited by GWS with that deep midfield and allowed to properly develop he may well have been a star like in the U18's. We won't know but it is a very good question. Re: Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - laj - 06-20-2021 (06-20-2021, 08:51 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Its interesting to compare Luke Davies Uniake and Paddy Dow...both were hot property in their draft year, both dominant at U18 level and both have struggled at senior level. Their stats in terms of disposals at senior level are about the same and their kicking isnt their strong point. LDU is marginally better placed than Dow in terms of the future IMO but is it just the case of two crap clubs unable to develop talent or did both clubs just get it wrong with their selections? Those two plus Rainer were standouts in the under 18s. We didn't didn't take Dow he would've been snapped up at 4. We did a 5hit job at developing him. Re: Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - blueboys_1 - 06-20-2021 (06-20-2021, 01:00 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Some of our defenders don't want to defend, it's not even a case of intenstity. Stoker anyone. And where is he played!! Re: Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - Gointocarlton - 06-20-2021 (06-20-2021, 04:27 AM)sydneybluesfan link Wrote:The last 3 weeks have really shone a light on where we are and there can be NO hiding from it - for the Board, the Exec, the Football Dept and the Players [especially the Leadership Group].Review over, send them an invoice. PS Youre hired. Re: Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - Gointocarlton - 06-20-2021 (06-20-2021, 08:51 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Its interesting to compare Luke Davies Uniake and Paddy Dow...both were hot property in their draft year, both dominant at U18 level and both have struggled at senior level. Their stats in terms of disposals at senior level are about the same and their kicking isnt their strong point. LDU is marginally better placed than Dow in terms of the future IMO but is it just the case of two crap clubs unable to develop talent or did both clubs just get it wrong with their selections?Both at shit clubs with poor development coaches, there's your common denominator. |