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Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - cookie2 - 09-22-2020
(09-21-2020, 08:36 AM)RiverRat link Wrote:Murphy also picks and chooses; Cripps actually tries but often isn't fast enough to catch anyone.
That doesn't excuse speedy players, like Martin and SPS, who commonly think first before deciding whether to chase.
Ideally, players will be hungry for the chase (like a seagull after a chip) and react accordingly. Simmo isn't as fast as he used to be but he still reacts like he used to.
Could it be that players make an evaluation of whether or not they are likely to catch the opp player and if very unlikely why waste the energy trying? A bad look nevertheless.
Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - crashlander - 09-22-2020
(09-22-2020, 02:56 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Could it be that players make an evaluation of whether or not they are likely to catch the opp player and if very unlikely why waste the energy trying? A bad look nevertheless.Indeed. It was one of the biggest black marks I had against Wiggins, back in the day. If he thought he was close enough, he was ferocious. But if the distance was one cm past where he thought he could make it, he didn't try. All players do it to some extent, but some guys never seem to give up, their 'radius of attempt', if you will, is just bigger than others. Stephen Silvagni was one of those. He would go for it at distances that others wouldn't, and he would get there more often than not. It made him what he was.
Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - RiverRat - 09-22-2020
(09-22-2020, 02:56 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Could it be that players make an evaluation of whether or not they are likely to catch the opp player and if very unlikely why waste the energy trying? A bad look nevertheless.
That is no doubt the situation but not chasing an opponent who is running with the ball allows that player to deliver the ball under little or no pressure - much to the disadvantage of his defenders and the rest of the team.
I am not only talking about chasing an opponent who has the ball; I am also referring to failing to chase an opponent who is running to make position or to create a loose man in attack. Over the past couple of decades, we have had too many one-way players. Possibly the fastest (and most frustrating) of them was Chris Yarran.
Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - cookie2 - 09-22-2020
OK thanks RR.
Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - Thryleon - 09-22-2020
(09-22-2020, 05:20 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Indeed. It was one of the biggest black marks I had against Wiggins, back in the day. If he thought he was close enough, he was ferocious. But if the distance was one cm past where he thought he could make it, he didn't try. All players do it to some extent, but some guys never seem to give up, their 'radius of attempt', if you will, is just bigger than others. Stephen Silvagni was one of those. He would go for it at distances that others wouldn't, and he would get there more often than not. It made him what he was.
I think to me thats a man that knows his limitations.
Sometimes its not worth expending the energy for a perceived benefit, because you might need it when there is an actual benefit.
Us fans talk pick and choose, but in sports, sometimes you have to weigh up the benefits vs the consequences. Its not about not chasing either its about what the effect of chasing that man will do. Let him go, and he might deliver it nicely, but for each action there is a reaction. Chasing them back means more players following men into areas of the ground where they cannot be an outlet kick in the next chain of posessions.
For me that divides smarts vs ability. Players with limited ability need to sum this up accordingly and do what they think they can, rather than attempt what they know they cant.
Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - bignic - 09-23-2020
Since this topic is still going, I said it in my original post, and I will say it again.
Without any doubt, one of the more selfish acts perpetrated on the Carlton Football Club in recent history, is Mark Murphy not offering to hang up the boots, but accepting another years contract.
He knows, just like I , and those on this site who don't wear blindfolds know, that he's gone.
He can't tackle. Not because he wouldn't do it under normal circumstances, but because his shoulders are stuffed and he risks a dislocation if he tackles. That's why you didn't see him actually tackle once this year. He either lunged at a player after the player was out of range, or came in as the second or third player to "tackle" the opposition player.
He won't go in and put his head over the ball. Mind you, he's not alone. Jack martin did it against the Lions, resulting in a goal to them. But at least Murphy's excuse is that he had his jaw broken a while ago, and he's afraid to get it broken again.
Frankly,I don't blame him for not wanting to tackle or put his body on the line by going in and under packs. In fact I empathise with him.
But this is a team sport, and if you can't do your job for the team, then do the decent thing and retire so that a player who doesn't have your issues can take your place.
All I can hope for, is that the club understand that he's not up to it any more, and that he is no longer an automatic selection.
Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - PaulP - 09-23-2020
Some posters on here would lead one to think that Murphy either has incriminating evidence on an assortment of coaches, list managers and other club officials, or has been pulling the wool over their eyes all these years. I'm guessing the club knows exactly his positive and negative attributes, and makes list decisions accordingly.
Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-23-2020
(09-23-2020, 05:09 AM)bignic link Wrote:Since this topic is still going, I said it in my original post, and I will say it again.There is the view on this site that highly skilled players who are more elite with their ball use dont have to bother with meat and potatoes acts like chasing, tackling or putting the body on the line. Thats for meatheads like Robbo who were/are seen as handicapped skill wise and only fit for sacrificing their body parts for the good of these elite ball users.
Without any doubt, one of the more selfish acts perpetrated on the Carlton Football Club in recent history, is Mark Murphy not offering to hang up the boots, but accepting another years contract.
He knows, just like I , and those on this site who don't wear blindfolds know, that he's gone.
He can't tackle. Not because he wouldn't do it under normal circumstances, but because his shoulders are stuffed and he risks a dislocation if he tackles. That's why you didn't see him actually tackle once this year. He either lunged at a player after the player was out of range, or came in as the second or third player to "tackle" the opposition player.
He won't go in and put his head over the ball. Mind you, he's not alone. Jack martin did it against the Lions, resulting in a goal to them. But at least Murphy's excuse is that he had his jaw broken a while ago, and he's afraid to get it broken again.
Frankly,I don't blame him for not wanting to tackle or put his body on the line by going in and under packs. In fact I empathise with him.
But this is a team sport, and if you can't do your job for the team, then do the decent thing and retire so that a player who doesn't have your issues can take your place.
All I can hope for, is that the club understand that he's not up to it any more, and that he is no longer an automatic selection.
I dont subscribe to that theory and clubs like Richmond and Hawthorn havent over the years either and thats why they are successful.
Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - PaulP - 09-23-2020
Murphy has survived 8000 list changes, 5 or 6 coaches, and a plethora of assistants, list managers etc. Completely different individuals who would not be swayed by each other's biases, likes, dislikes etc. He has survived public criticism from Matheison. His survival is cited by some as clear evidence that our club is professionally inept. Whilst I have shouted more than most about our club's problems, Murphy's continued presence on our list would be a mere trifle at best. He's had a million different eyes watching him, analysing him, assessing him, but none apparently can see through the charade.
Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - laj - 09-23-2020
(09-23-2020, 05:09 AM)bignic link Wrote:Since this topic is still going, I said it in my original post, and I will say it again.
Without any doubt, one of the more selfish acts perpetrated on the Carlton Football Club in recent history, is Mark Murphy not offering to hang up the boots, but accepting another years contract.
That's a crap post. Sorry. This is just whipping boy stuff showing no respect to a bloke that has played 285 games for the club and given his all. If he think he can play he is entitled to ask for a contract. No for you, me or anyone else to tell him otherwise. It is up to the club to say no if they didn't think he had anymore to offer and give him the choice of retiring or trying to get to another club. As Daisy found, we are quick to do that if we think someone's time is up.