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Re: Deer in the Headlights - capcom - 01-08-2020
What was I saying the other day about the divide between city and country? Never been more obvious and all it needs is a good read of posts here. Try this .. I had to release a possum after getting it out of my roof in Kew. Effin' nuts. After moving here? See a brown snake, ring a mate, 2 minutes later, shotgun and a beer. Eye opening. And so much better
Re: Deer in the Headlights - LP - 01-08-2020
(01-08-2020, 08:57 AM)capcom date Wrote:What was I saying the other day about the divide between city and country? Never been more obvious and all it needs is a good read of posts here. Try this .. I had to release a possum after getting it out of my roof in Kew. Effin' nuts. After moving here? See a brown snake, ring a mate, 2 minutes later, shotgun and a beer. Eye opening. And so much betterIt's laughable that the people actually living in the bush are told what to do frequently by people who regardless of where they were born or grew up now choose to rarely get further away from the CBD than Prahran or Brighton.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - flyboy77 - 01-08-2020
(01-07-2020, 04:35 AM)LP link Wrote:Human Induced Climate Change and rising temps are not geared to global drought or flood, that's a crap assumption blokes like Kelly make to stir up crap for News Ltd and Newcastle Coal shipping mates. They try to assert it's Venus or Mars for the Earth.
Human Induced Climate Changes causes wild swings and extreme peaks and troughs, lots more so called Black Swan events and I think links in this thread have already discussed some relating to the current fires. Extreme rain, extreme drought, extreme blizzards and extreme firestorms.
The averages might be very deceptive if looked at in isolation.
The data shows your assertions are total BS.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - LP - 01-08-2020
(01-08-2020, 01:03 PM)flyboy77 date Wrote:The data shows your assertions are total BS.The first most reliable bullcrap detector you can have is when you hear or read someone claim rising temperatures will lead to widespread global drought, try and sell that drought claim to the people in Bangladesh or Jakarata, or the Pacific Island nations! (For example parts of tropical Thailand are in an extreme drought, while further down the peninsula parts of Malaysia and Indonesia are flooded. Regions most would generalize as having similar climates all year round!)
What the data tells scientists is that the two primary effects will be rising average sea levels and weather regions shifting, some areas becoming dryer while other areas will become wetter. This is coupled to more extreme weather events, driven by larger differentials between high and low pressure regions. From what I've read this is likely being driven by a shift in the latitude of the circumpolar flows.
Of course these are all theories but the early signs are the scientists have got it right, as North America sees blizzard and tornado events in locations they are not previously recorded, and we may even find increasing frequency of tornado type events in parts of SE Australia. Other natural changes need to be considered, for example Victoria is currently inundated with Portuguese Man-O-War, and local fishermen are catching species that to quote them "We don't have down South!", as sure of a sign as you will find that there is a shift in ocean temps and currents.
Is it permanent or just temporary? Who knows because it takes more than a human lifetime to determine that! A reality right wing nutters like Andrew Bolt and Craig Kelly cling to as they make global assertions from cherry-picked data, they sit waiting for small localised contradictions to appear in the exposed data so they can crow about it, a tactic they learned from Christopher Mockton and the Tobacco industry designed to cast doubt on the science and data.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - Baggers - 01-08-2020
(01-08-2020, 08:57 AM)capcom link Wrote:What was I saying the other day about the divide between city and country? Never been more obvious and all it needs is a good read of posts here. Try this .. I had to release a possum after getting it out of my roof in Kew. Effin' nuts. After moving here? See a brown snake, ring a mate, 2 minutes later, shotgun and a beer. Eye opening. And so much better
I think you can find plenty of examples that go the other way, completely. I've certainly sent snakes, possums and rats to 'a better place' when they posed a threat to the wellbeing of my family or attempting to destroy my veggie patch -- yes, living in a bayside suburb then and also when we lived in Tyabb.
One of my dear friends (city dweller - outer suburb) grows the best tomatoes you will ever taste... mostly beefheart for all his pastes (tradition Italian pasta sauces). Suffice to say he has no issues with possoms. As some vanish and new ones arrive, they mysteriously vanish as well... no-one messes with his tomatoes! Kiwis have the right idea for possoms. Conversely, I can tell you about friends in Gippy who would be horrified by my mates attitudes and actions to protect his tomatoes/veggie garden!
I've lived in both city and country since leaving the Navy in 1976 and although there are some definite cultural differences, the divide is not as great as some might believe. We live 2 hours from Melbourne now and the mix of folks here is pretty diverse... there is the 'less rush' of the country here, which I like. I don't miss the smell of pollution in the air of the city, that's for sure. The smell of eucalypt in the morning... aahhhh, magnificent.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - capcom - 01-08-2020
(01-08-2020, 10:08 PM)Baggers link Wrote:I think you can find plenty of examples that go the other way, completely. I've certainly sent snakes, possums and rats to 'a better place' when they posed a threat to the wellbeing of my family or attempting to destroy my veggie patch -- yes, living in a bayside suburb then and also when we lived in Tyabb.
One of my dear friends (city dweller - outer suburb) grows the best tomatoes you will ever taste... mostly beefheart for all his pastes (tradition Italian pasta sauces). Suffice to say he has no issues with possoms. As some vanish and new ones arrive, they mysteriously vanish as well... no-one messes with his tomatoes! Kiwis have the right idea for possoms. Conversely, I can tell you about friends in Gippy who would be horrified by my mates attitudes and actions to protect his tomatoes/veggie garden!
I've lived in both city and country since leaving the Navy in 1976 and although there are some definite cultural differences, the divide is not as great as some might believe. We live 2 hours from Melbourne now and the mix of folks here is pretty diverse... there is the 'less rush' of the country here, which I like. I don't miss the smell of pollution in the air of the city, that's for sure. The smell of eucalypt in the morning... aahhhh, magnificent.
And as for possums when people were screaming at bracks to do something about them destroying the Botanic Gardens? The effwit said "they were here first".
Should be a state wide cull on them, bats and mynahs.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - LP - 01-08-2020
(01-08-2020, 10:08 PM)Baggers date Wrote:I've lived in both city and country since leaving the Navy in 1976 and although there are some definite cultural differences, the divide is not as great as some might believe.I think the primary issue is that the impression is crafted by the loudest voices which are generally at the extremes of the debate.
In my job I get exposed to a lot of scientists, some of them actual climate and environment scientists and not just opinionated biologists or physicists. The scientists almost never use words like "will" or "is", and always use terms like "could" or "might". It's that "Imposter Syndrome" kicking in, the more you know the less definitive and confident you become.
It's the idiots, morons and extremists who declare things in the definitive, the Dunning-Kruger effect in full swing!
Back on the Hazard Management / Fuel Reduction debate, the rules are the same for all fires, The Fire Triangle applies no matter if it's a wildfire in the bush or the family barbecue.
[img width=200]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Fire_triangle.svg/1200px-Fire_triangle.svg.png[/img]
Finally if fuel reduction isn't effective, why are they back-burning in the Corryong yesterday and again later this week?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/residents-urged-to-flee-as-high-country-fire-danger-heads-to-extreme-20200108-p53pwa.html
The reported and published words don't mean much when the actions don't match.
Finally, why do some(people or business) want the fires to be declared an act of arson? It can be for as simple of a reason as the fine print in the insurance policy that they signed!
Re: Deer in the Headlights - Baggers - 01-09-2020
(01-08-2020, 10:24 PM)capcom link Wrote:And as for possums when people were screaming at bracks to do something about them destroying the Botanic Gardens? The effwit said "they were here first".
Should be a state wide cull on them, bats and mynahs.
I wonder if Bracks applied the same logic to Indigenous Aussies? ?
The Kiwis have the right idea for possums... they make good purses, etc. And this is from a country way more 'environmental' than us. Nothing but over grown rats those possums.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - Baggers - 01-09-2020
(01-08-2020, 11:51 PM)LP link Wrote:I think the primary issue is that the impression is crafted by the loudest voices which are generally at the extremes of the debate.
In my job I get exposed to a lot of scientists, some of them actual climate and environment scientists and not just opinionated biologists or physicists. The scientists almost never use words like "will" or "is", and always use terms like "could" or "might". It's that "Imposter Syndrome" kicking in, the more you know the less definitive and confident you become.
It's the idiots, morons and extremists who declare things in the definitive, the Dunning-Kruger effect in full swing!
Back on the Hazard Management / Fuel Reduction debate, the rules are the same for all fires, The Fire Triangle applies no matter if it's a wildfire in the bush or the family barbecue.
[img width=200]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Fire_triangle.svg/1200px-Fire_triangle.svg.png[/img]
Finally if fuel reduction isn't effective, why are they back-burning in the Corryong yesterday and again later this week?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/residents-urged-to-flee-as-high-country-fire-danger-heads-to-extreme-20200108-p53pwa.html
The reported and published words don't mean much when the actions don't match.
Finally, why do some(people or business) want the fires to be declared an act of arson? It can be for as simple of a reason as the fine print in the insurance policy that they signed!
Good post, Spotted One.
Spot on re Dunning Kruger Effect.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - flyboy77 - 01-09-2020
(01-08-2020, 11:51 PM)LP link Wrote:I think the primary issue is that the impression is crafted by the loudest voices which are generally at the extremes of the debate.
In my job I get exposed to a lot of scientists, some of them actual climate and environment scientists and not just opinionated biologists or physicists. The scientists almost never use words like "will" or "is", and always use terms like "could" or "might". It's that "Imposter Syndrome" kicking in, the more you know the less definitive and confident you become.
It's the idiots, morons and extremists who declare things in the definitive, the Dunning-Kruger effect in full swing!
Back on the Hazard Management / Fuel Reduction debate, the rules are the same for all fires, The Fire Triangle applies no matter if it's a wildfire in the bush or the family barbecue.
[img width=200]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Fire_triangle.svg/1200px-Fire_triangle.svg.png[/img]
Finally if fuel reduction isn't effective, why are they back-burning in the Corryong yesterday and again later this week?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/residents-urged-to-flee-as-high-country-fire-danger-heads-to-extreme-20200108-p53pwa.html
The reported and published words don't mean much when the actions don't match.
Finally, why do some(people or business) want the fires to be declared an act of arson? It can be for as simple of a reason as the fine print in the insurance policy that they signed!
https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/bfab/bfab059
It's a real problem.
Harsher penalties a must.