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Re: Daisy in strife - Lods - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 01:35 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Too late for that.
It is getting a bit ridiculous.
Misdemeanour noted and sanctioned... move on.
Re: Daisy in strife - Lods - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 01:37 AM)LP link Wrote:What does this mean when our club stays silent in the media, and allows discussions about or referencing the club to be driven by others?
It's clear to me, professionalism starts or ends from the top down!
We've issued a statement...a good professional one I thought, from club and player.
That should close the issue.
If we get into a scuffle over the media coverage it will just keep the issue bubbling along...then all sorts of judgements will be made over the timing of Thomas' return.
If we have some major issues with media coverage this probably isn't a battle we want to use to fight that because even supporters are divided on the issue.
Re: Daisy in strife - madbluboy - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 01:38 AM)Lods link Wrote:It is getting a bit ridiculous.
Misdemeanour noted and sanctioned... move on.
but the punishment didn't fit the crime so now they're is speculation.
Re: Daisy in strife - LP - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 01:44 AM)Lods link Wrote:We've issued a statement...a good professional one I thought, from club and player.
That should close the issue.
If we get into a scuffle over the media coverage it will just keep the issue bubbling along...then all sorts of judgements will be made over the timing of Thomas' return.
If we have some major issues with media coverage this probably isn't a battle we want to use to fight that because even supporters are divided on the issue.
It's not an isolated incident Lods, we cannot keep giving them retrospective pass marks when the behavior is recidivist!
Previously it was comments from fans like, the club will learn from it and handle it better next time, then it happens all over again, and again, like a running joke!
Pretty much any of us could well have sat down and wrote out the script for these events before it happened, the media strategy, the club reaction, the follow up, we've seen it before multiple times. When will our club become proactive rather than reactive?
(05-30-2019, 01:48 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:but the punishment didn't fit the crime so now they're is speculation.
We cannot really go there MBB, because we do not know the facts surrounding the event, but we can clearly comment on the public reaction and public responses!
Re: Daisy in strife - capcom - 05-30-2019
If it's even half true, it's hardly perfect timing but he does his penance and we pay the potential penalty come Sunday.
Re: Daisy in strife - madbluboy - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 01:49 AM)LP link Wrote:We cannot really go there MBB, because we do not know the facts surrounding the event, but we can clearly comment on the public reaction and public responses!
I'm saying the punishment doesn't fit the crime that we have disclosed.
Judd said he had a couple of wines, Daisy said he had 3. Daisy accidentally spilled a drink on Warnock, he apologized and that was that.
The fact that we suspended him has people thinking there is more in it.
Re: Daisy in strife - PaulP - 05-30-2019
IMO, our club should focus less on being tough wrt minor indiscretions and focus more on showing some common sense and being united. Too much throwing people under a bus for mine. Little wonder the players often lapse into self preservation mode. If Daisy was still a Pies player, no way Eddie would have banished him.
Re: Daisy in strife - LP - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 03:20 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:The fact that we suspended him has people thinking there is more in it.
Yes I agree.
Further fans are reacting to this news after the fact.
The media and the club clearly knew about this before the weekend, it raises questions around why it took so long to surface. In the old days it would have been in the Saturday morning editions! It's pretty clear the club approved the excursion.
MLG and Lloyd were both active in the broadcast media on Saturday and Sunday before the game, but there was NADA in that content! They had the opportunity to cut off the serpents head but instead by inaction they offered it a sacrifice!
It would have been as simple as one of them steering a conversation and making some proactive statement like this on Saturday,
"At Carlton, we want to be part of the wider community, for example Daisy spent last night volunteering his time at a charity diner to raise funds for Camp Quality!"
Sorted, issue dead and buried, it's that simple! If any smart-ar5e blogger or journo tries to raise the drinking issue after that sort of public pronunciation they just make themselves look like an asshole! Because making a football issue around a charity fund raiser for sick children means you are an asshole, Caro!
When it broke the way it broke Monday, all we had to pose as a question was this on Tuesday,
"Why is Caro(or The Media if you wish to be less personal) politicising a children's cancer charity fund-raiser, is that really how low we are prepared to go?"
Yet NADA!
McGuire, as much as I hate him, has us covered in spades. I don't know who manages or advises our club on media issues but they are dead-set worthless!
Re: Daisy in strife - Lods - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 03:59 AM)LP link Wrote:Yes I agree.
Further fans are reacting to this news after the fact.
The media and the club clearly knew about this before the weekend, it raises questions around why it took so long to surface. In the old days it would have been in the Saturday morning editions! It's pretty clear the club approved the excursion.
MLG and Lloyd were both active in the broadcast media on Saturday and Sunday before the game, but there was NADA in that content! They had the opportunity to cut off the serpents head but instead by inaction they offered it a sacrifice!
It would have been as simple as one of them steering a conversation and making some proactive statement like this on Saturday,
"At Carlton, we want to be part of the wider community, for example Daisy spent last night volunteering his time at a charity diner to raise funds for Camp Quality!"
Sorted, issue dead and buried, it's that simple! If any smart-ar5e blogger or journo tries to raise the drinking issue after that sort of public pronunciation they just make themselves look like an asshole! Because making a football issue around a charity fund raiser for sick children means you are an asshole, Caro!
When it broke the way it broke Monday, all we had to pose as a question was this on Tuesday,
"Why is Caro(or The Media if you wish to be less personal) politicising a children's cancer charity fund-raiser, is that really how low we are prepared to go?"
Yet NADA!
McGuire, as much as I hate him, has us covered in spades. I don't know who manages or advises our club on media issues but they are dead-set worthless!
We really don't know how much and when the club knew.
Judd seemed 'not too sure' on the TV Monday night.
Wilson suggested that after an initial inquiry the club were going back to Thomas for clarification.
The clubs integrity manager Craig Millar conducted an investigation.
So it was probably a bit premature for the club to go on the front foot on Saturday morning
Judd on Monday night...
Quote:Judd said he had no problems with a player having one or two drinks before a game, but acknowledged it was a bad look given Carlton's plight.
Thomas allegedly has told the club he had two glasses of wine at the dinner.
"I'm not one to 'infantise' players - if players have a single beer or a couple of wines over dinner, I don't have a huge problem," Judd told Channel Nine's Footy Classified.
"Needless to say, drinking, full-stop, in public, two days before a game when you're 1-9, fails the stupidity test clearly.
"So we'll wait and see what the result of the investigations are - I actually don't have the detail, I'm not spinning that.
If we had taken this tack
"Why is Caro(or The Media if you wish to be less personal) politicising a children's cancer charity fund-raiser, is that really how low we are prepared to go?"
I reckon we would have been cut to pieces for trying to deflect it using 'cancer charity' as a cover. It would backfire.
You see the wider community doesn't regard the media as biased against Carlton...they just see them as reporting on a struggling club having another issue to deal with with.
I agree we need to be more proactive but this one isn't a battle we would win.
Re: Daisy in strife - LP - 05-30-2019
(05-30-2019, 04:42 AM)Lods link Wrote:If we had taken this tack
"Why is Caro(or The Media if you wish to be less personal) politicising a children's cancer charity fund-raiser, is that really how low we are prepared to go?"
I reckon we would have been cut to pieces for trying to deflect it using 'cancer charity' as a cover.
You see the wider community doesn't regard the Media as biased against Carlton...they just see them as reporting on a struggling club having another issue to deal with with.
I agree we need to be more proactive but this one isn't a battle we would win.
What the wider community think is irrelevant, if you want to build unity and a culture what Carlton people think, the coaches, players, families, staff, sponsors and fans is the really important perspective.
If the publicly exposed order of events had been different in most cases it's usually first in best dressed. I'm not sure you can make the bolded argument retrospectively. In my experience the opening statement sets the agenda and perspective, it's why print and broadcast media structure reports and headlines the way they do, they know most people form opinion on the first line or two of a report and never read or pay attention to the rest!
Have a look at CheatsFC, despite the early claims being clearly exposed as false, to this day it's still the opinion of CheatsFC fans that the players were ignorant of any wrong doing! But that lie by deliberate omission of a fact, set up the structure of support for the players and ultimately stronger support for CheatsFC as a club!