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Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - cookie2 - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 04:48 AM)blue4life link Wrote:You're reading way too much into my posts Kruds, someone else brought Grigg up and I said that we made a bad call on him and that was all I said.
By bad call I didn't mean not offering him more money, I wasn't referring to anything to do with his contract.
I meant that we were playing players like Chris Johnson, Joe Anderson, Aaron Joseph, Jordan Russell and Denis Armfield ahead of him which gave him cause to look elsewhere, and even if you don't rate him you can't possibly rate him below those others.
That's what I meant, I also admitted that I underrated him as well but I don't get paid to make those calls so my opinion of him is irrelevant.
Yep. Grigg turned out to be a much better foot soldier than the ones we ended up going with. We've had some good players but we have struggled with the foot soldiers to support them imo.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - blue4life - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 04:25 AM)LP link Wrote:No, Grigg types are common as matches in a box, it's some of the players around him that are not!
Richmond doesn't have many a graders, neither did Footscray, it's the Grigg types who win clubs flags.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - cookie2 - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 04:54 AM)blue4life link Wrote:Richmond doesn't have many a graders, neither did Footscray, it's the Grigg types who win clubs flags.
I think it was Robert Walls who said "Judge the quality of a team by the quality of it's bottom six as much as by the quality of its top six" or words to that effect.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - kruddler - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 04:48 AM)blue4life link Wrote:You're reading way too much into my posts Kruds, someone else brought Grigg up and I said that we made a bad call on him and that was all I said.
By bad call I didn't mean not offering him more money, I wasn't referring to anything to do with his contract.
I meant that we were playing players like Chris Johnson, Joe Anderson, Aaron Joseph, Jordan Russell and Denis Armfield ahead of him which gave him cause to look elsewhere, and even if you don't rate him you can't possibly rate him below those others.
That's what I meant, I also admitted that I underrated him as well but I don't get paid to make those calls so my opinion of him is irrelevant.
Funny you mention those names. They all have 1 thing in common, and its something Grigg doesn't have. Which also happens to be his main weakness.
Simply, they can kick, he cannot. Ditto Mitch Robinson and Tom Bell. Plenty of big bodied midfielders out there who lack the ability to use the ball well. You can even throw Cripps in with that lot. Thankfully he is elite in other areas.
Well in order to make a bad call, or a good call, there has to be something to make a call on. In this case the 'call' was about him going or not. Given the reason he went was for more money (or at least the equivalent - but you don't believe rumours) then i'm not sure what 'call' we made that was 'bad'. Hence why this is all about his contract and him WANTING to leave, thus not giving us a 'call' to make.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - kruddler - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 04:52 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Yep. Grigg turned out to be a much better foot soldier than the ones we ended up going with. We've had some good players but we have struggled with the foot soldiers to support them imo.
Agree, but all of those players were on less money than what Grigg was/is on too.
So its about value for money. Is 1 grigg better value than 1 JR and 1 Army combined?
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - blue4life - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 04:57 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:I think it was Robert Walls who said "Judge the quality of a team by the quality of it's bottom six as much as by the quality of its top six" or words to that effect.
And by any yardstick our bottom six are very ordinary.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - LP - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 05:22 AM)blue4life link Wrote:And by any yardstick our bottom six are very ordinary.
Some may say we have a bottom 36!
Given we have changed so many players, what does that mean for SOS?
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - PaulP - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 04:11 AM)blue4life link Wrote:But every club needs them, and Grigg plays his role very well.
And I don't think that they are as common as matches in a box, if they were we wouldn't be sitting on the bottom.
I don't deny that you make some fair points, but honestly, at this point in time, I think we can all agree that Grigg is barely worth discussing for more than a post here or there.
I think his contract for next year is yet to be renewed. But I can't access the HS website to confirm.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - Lods - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 04:21 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:There is a common theme emerging. Players were only staying for big dollars else they were leaving, and its because we as a football club have been very poor. Ratten produced good results with our boys whilst we were here, but there is a tell about how well he performed as a coach, and it exists in the playing group we currently have. I don't know who it says more about, be it Ratten, our coaching panel or perhaps our football club anyone else, but whilst Ratten was at the club, the only renduring players were either here before him, or on their last chance at AFL football with no real other options.
The second anyone else had an option they left and the only exceptions to that rule are blokes we elected to get rid of.
Which players were they Thry? ???
I can't think of any apart from Grigg and Jacobs who went home for greater opportunities
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - cookie2 - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 04:59 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Agree, but all of those players were on less money than what Grigg was/is on too.
So its about value for money. Is 1 grigg better value than 1 JR and 1 Army combined?
I guess you get what you pay for?