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Re: Give Harry a go - LP - 03-30-2018
(03-29-2018, 11:37 PM)laj link Wrote:The way the game's set up these days he it's harder to play two key forwards.
I don't think so, they are all migrating towards KPP size.
Teams are slowly becoming lists of players +190cm in size, the HFFs and HBFs are KPP size from a decade or two ago!
What's Cripps now, 6'5" (195cm), similar in size to Weitering and Rowe!
KPPs are not going to scale in size relative to midfielders, it's just going to even out!
And you are writing this the day after Adelaide made Nthmond's single KPF structure looked mighty brittle. Adelaide going with Walker and Jenkins looked reliable, they kicked 9 goals between them, and the had Fogarty at about 194cm x 95kg roaming around besides them as a HFF!
Re: Give Harry a go - laj - 03-30-2018
(03-30-2018, 05:11 AM)LP link Wrote:I don't think so, they are all migrating towards KPP size.
Teams are slowly becoming lists of players +190cm in size, the HFFs and HBFs are KPP size from a decade or two ago!
What's Cripps now, 6'5" (195cm), similar in size to Weitering and Rowe!
KPPs are not going to scale in size relative to midfielders, it's just going to even out!
And you are writing this the day after Adelaide made Nthmond's single KPF structure looked mighty brittle. Adelaide going with Walker and Jenkins looked reliable, they kicked 9 goals between them, and the had Fogarty at about 194cm x 95kg roaming around besides them as a HFF!
What i'm saying is hard to played two genuinely trained key forwards. The taller midfielder is playing that second role. We have the perfect players in Curnow and Cripps for that.
Yes, but in a big final where counted it was much tougher for Adelaide against Richmond. If there's a lack of pressure a few talls can cut you up. Finals pressure a different game. Richmond's game is based on pressure, without it their system isn't as good.
Re: Give Harry a go - laj - 03-30-2018
(03-30-2018, 12:32 AM)kruddler link Wrote:You can still play 3+ key defenders though.
Still trying to work out the logic there.
Depends on who you're playing against too I suppose. Need them against Adelaide, not so much against Richmond. Finals becomes different again due to the pressure. One key forward is a must, 2 maybe not if you can get a couple a taller marking mids floating /resting there, which is more ideal.
Re: Give Harry a go - LoveNavy - 03-30-2018
I'm not concerned about H just yet. This is essentially his 2nd year considering injury, which continues to burden his development. Albeit different to his initial back problem. Talls take time as we all know. If Harry's body shape tells us anything it's that he's growing and changing despite the challenge of healing from injuries.
A fair question to ask is: how is Harry's development compared to his twin brother? Pretty sure Ben hasn't seen much game time yet. And that's for a team with a list arguably worse than ours.
Patience grasshopper.
I've got confidence in our club to balance injury management with development and long term benefit for the club. My hope is that he's ready to play regularly when big Levi steps down (or into alternate role - standard disclaimer thanks to Jonesy
))Go Blues
Re: Give Harry a go - jeza - 03-30-2018
If they are good enough I think you can play 3 tall forwards.
SOSOS plays as a medium tall so we've really been running with that for 12 months now anyway. But with O'Shea replacing him I have no clue what the forward line will be tomorrow.
I assume Thomas and Cunningham and co will rotate through there to make us smaller but more likely is one of the tall defenders like Marchbank or Weitering will spend time as wing / forward. It will be an extremely tall backline otherwise.
Re: Give Harry a go - LoveNavy - 03-30-2018
I haven't seen O'Shea play. He's listed as a tall (197) running defender. Not sure how he slots in for either of our Outs. Cunningham I'm guessing will get a run through the middle. I hope we match up well this week because we didn't last week - by all accounts. No doubt our selectors have the good oil on this.
Sounds like reasonable doubt over big Kruez :-[
That will hurt us a lot IMO.
MY EDIT
Sorry, thought I was posting in pre-game thread.
Re: Give Harry a go - jeza - 03-30-2018
(03-30-2018, 09:45 AM)LoveNavy link Wrote:I haven't seen O'Shea play. He's listed as a tall (197) running defender. Not sure how he slots in for either of our Outs. Cunningham I'm guessing will get a run through the middle. I hope we match up well this week because we didn't last week - by all accounts. No doubt our selectors have the good oil on this.
Sounds like reasonable doubt over big Kruez :-[
That will hurt us a lot IMO.
We need to catch a little more luck with injuries than we're having at the moment. Doc, Pickett, Kreuzer, Kennedy, ASOS, Lang, Williamson, Lobbe... it's starting to get serious.
Having thought about it...
Marchbank playing wing is the most likely outcome of O'Shea getting a game. He spent a lot of time there in the JLT. That will mean the resting mids rotation replaces SOSOS and Garlett will spend more time closer to goal hopefully.
Re: Give Harry a go - northernblue - 03-30-2018
(03-29-2018, 10:11 PM)PaulP link Wrote:I'm all for giving young men blocks of games if it helps their long term development.
So am I... provided they hit their KPI’s.
Like Jones last year, he was bashing on the door for selection and he didn’t miss a beat when promoted.
Everyone must hit their KPI’s before being eligible for selection, once selected sure, give them 3-6 games to find their feet.
Re: Give Harry a go - kruddler - 03-30-2018
(03-30-2018, 10:13 AM)jeza link Wrote:Having thought about it...
Marchbank playing wing is the most likely outcome of O'Shea getting a game. He spent a lot of time there in the JLT. That will mean the resting mids rotation replaces SOSOS and Garlett will spend more time closer to goal hopefully.
See marchbank playing wing to accommodate O'Shea makes no sense to me. Yes, physically he could play there, but marchbank was one of our best last week and now we move him out of position to accommodate O'Shea into the team? Why not just bring in a wingman??
Re: Give Harry a go - jeza - 03-30-2018
(03-30-2018, 09:09 PM)kruddler link Wrote:See marchbank playing wing to accommodate O'Shea makes no sense to me. Yes, physically he could play there, but marchbank was one of our best last week and now we move him out of position to accommodate O'Shea into the team? Why not just bring in a wingman??
They'd only do that if Marchbank is the guy they want on the wing. The team named 5 tall backmen. I'd be surprised if all 5 play in the back line.