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Re: Hannah Mouncey - Thryleon - 03-26-2023
(03-25-2023, 01:56 PM)Lods link Wrote:I think everyone deserves the opportunity to compete in a sport they love.
The thing about sports like track and field and swimming (just to name two) is....
They have categories divided by sex.
They have age categories (usually at 2 year intervals) up until open.
They have masters age groups every five years after age thirty.
They have multiple catgories for athletes with a disability.
Doesn't seem that hard to me to add two more categories....trans-male to female and female to male.
Another way to do it is to stop having gender versions of the same sport.
All genders allowed.
May the best competitor win.
Re: Hannah Mouncey - Lods - 03-26-2023
I suspect you might get an argument from the female sportsfolk.
Re: Hannah Mouncey - kruddler - 03-26-2023
(03-26-2023, 07:54 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Another way to do it is to stop having gender versions of the same sport.Thats relativelyt common nowadays.
All genders allowed.
May the best competitor win.
Female
and
Open divisions.
Re: Hannah Mouncey - LP - 03-26-2023
Society has done this to itself, it's made divisions, then it's artificially balanced the ledger, now minorities are being made equal with majorities, and finally we have delivered a choice.
No matter what argument you will hear being made that is not nature, nature never gives it's creations a choice it choses for them, the problem is people interfering, the problem is human.
Re: Hannah Mouncey - Thryleon - 03-27-2023
(03-26-2023, 08:00 AM)Lods link Wrote:
I suspect you might get an argument from the female sportsfolk.
No doubt, but you can bet your bottom dollar that it wouldnt be descriminatory on whom plays. All players welcome. You might see a Hannah Mouncey playing forward for St. Kilda this season, but it wouldn't be because Hannah's status, it would be because she is 195cm and built like a house and can take a contested mark and compete physically with the others.
Whenever I start to hear all these arguments about trans women being real women and playing on the same playing field, I immediately think of Karsten Braasch, and the story of him facing off against the Williams sisters. Ranked at over 200 in the world, and playing against admittedly younger opponents only freshly hitting the open pro tour, he was able to despatch both of them despite smoking durries at the change of ends.
Things might be a bit different today, and that may result in a more balanced match if a competitive male truly faced off against a competitive female, but ultimately it will silence the calls for trans people to play in the sport of the opposite gender.
Re: Hannah Mouncey - LP - 03-27-2023
(03-27-2023, 02:41 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Things might be a bit different today, and that may result in a more balanced match if a competitive male truly faced off against a competitive female,It might be feasible in some select skill based sports, but it's just untenable in most contact or power based sports for females to be competing next to men, whether the men started off as men or flipped to women.
For example, golf can be conducted on pretty even terms, because a drive and chip for a male might be a drive and 5 iron for a female, but once they are on the green it's Even Steven. If you can putt the lights out, gender can be largely irrelevant.
For other sports that aren't gender neutral the girls deserve the right to have their own league and to be able to compete in that league on equal terms with peers. This whole trans-athlete debate is not about equality at all, it's a massive advantage dressed up as a form of non-discrimination.
Re: Hannah Mouncey - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-27-2023
So if Anrich Nortje becomes a trans athlete and wants to play female cricket we are going to have women facing 155km deliveries, sounds a good way to get a lot of female cricketers badly injured or worse.
In some sports like LP pointed out like Golf etc it would work fine but in others it would be a brutal advantage to the former male in most cases.
LP's comments when he says "For other sports that aren't gender neutral the girls deserve the right to have their own league and to be able to compete in that league on equal terms with peers. This whole trans-athlete debate is not about equality at all, it's a massive advantage dressed up as a form of non-discrimination.
LP has Nailed it and nothing further to add....
Re: Hannah Mouncey - DJC - 03-27-2023
(03-27-2023, 05:50 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:So if Anrich Nortje becomes a trans athlete and wants to play female cricket we are going to have women facing 155km deliveries, sounds a good way to get a lot of female cricketers badly injured or worse.
In some sports like LP pointed out like Golf etc it would work fine but in others it would be a brutal advantage to the former male in most cases.
LP's comments when he says "For other sports that aren't gender neutral the girls deserve the right to have their own league and to be able to compete in that league on equal terms with peers. This whole trans-athlete debate is not about equality at all, it's a massive advantage dressed up as a form of non-discrimination.
LP has Nailed it and nothing further to add....
And what are the chances of Nortje deciding that he’s really female? Would he make more money playing cricket as a she? Would he even be able to play cricket competitively after gender reassignment?
170 Australians identified as transgender in the 2016 census. That’s probably a gross underestimate but, even if it was 170,000, that’s a minuscule percentage of our population. Even so, of my projected 100,000 male to female transgender folk, how many would have the ability and desire to play competitive sport?
I don’t think that transgender females should be competing against biological females and I don’t think many transgender males would have a competitive advantage over biological males. Some transgender females, Hannah Mouncey for example, and some activists maintain that not allowing transgender females to take part in female sport is discrimination. It probably is but, as others have suggested, it’s justifiable discrimination because it involves health and safety and fairness.
I reckon that at least 95% of transgender females have absolutely no desire to use their male physique to gain an advantage in any competitive sport. Of the remainder, I doubt very much that any were motivated to transition by the lure of making their fortune beating up on female athletes.
In other words, transgender athletes gaining an unfair advantage over biological females is a non-issue. By all means ban transgender athletes from gendered competitions. Sadly, anti-transgender hysteria provides fertile ground for neo-nazi anti-LBQTI+ propaganda.
Re: Hannah Mouncey - LP - 03-27-2023
People take massive risks and do horrible things for profit all the time, even start wars killing millions.
How many so inclined out of the planets billions are needed to destroy the integrity of female sport, even just one of every 10M is probably way too many?
Even without equal pay we've already seen transgender athletes banned because they dominate, it's not hypothetical, it already happening which is the real reason for this debate. I don't think weightlifting, swimming and basketball think it's hysteria!
Allowing transgender athletes in power sports simply because of the radicals attached to the debate would be a second wrong, not a right.
Re: Hannah Mouncey - Thryleon - 03-27-2023
(03-27-2023, 11:53 AM)DJC link Wrote:And what are the chances of Nortje deciding that he’s really female? Would he make more money playing cricket as a she? Would he even be able to play cricket competitively after gender reassignment?
170 Australians identified as transgender in the 2016 census. That’s probably a gross underestimate but, even if it was 170,000, that’s a minuscule percentage of our population. Even so, of my projected 100,000 male to female transgender folk, how many would have the ability and desire to play competitive sport?
I don’t think that transgender females should be competing against biological females and I don’t think many transgender males would have a competitive advantage over biological males. Some transgender females, Hannah Mouncey for example, and some activists maintain that not allowing transgender females to take part in female sport is discrimination. It probably is but, as others have suggested, it’s justifiable discrimination because it involves health and safety and fairness.
I reckon that at least 95% of transgender females have absolutely no desire to use their male physique to gain an advantage in any competitive sport. Of the remainder, I doubt very much that any were motivated to transition by the lure of making their fortune beating up on female athletes.
In other words, transgender athletes gaining an unfair advantage over biological females is a non-issue. By all means ban transgender athletes from gendered competitions. Sadly, anti-transgender hysteria provides fertile ground for neo-nazi anti-LBQTI+ propaganda.
Neo-nazi?
There is a very different scenario to a fascist regime and being against transgenderism. I personally don't view the avenue as being healthy for anybody because it involves not accepting your body and self mutilation on a level that I personally deem to be unscientific in the way its diagnosed and then represented.
The root to happiness is accepting things for what they are particularly when it comes to body image and for some reason trans is one avenue where people cannot accept their body for what it is and everyone is forced to comply. Not everyone will be a supermodel, and not everyone is gifted with athletic abilities. Some are born autistic but that doesn't mean they can be something they aren't, and it also means that you embrace the body you were gifted with rather than fight against it. There are some grey spots in that mix but they're outliers and rather than go into this avenue where people are choosing what gender they are, we should be a little more understanding of their plight rather than having to have them with labels of transgenderism.
I recognise that some people have a belief that they are in the wrong body but this belief is an identity struggle and not capable of being truly tested and is subjective not objective in how its being applied and then you simply have people play acting and donning some labels rather than appreciating the physiological experience of being a gender and what that means.
I am a firm believer that the biological experience is more capable of shaping someone's identity that anything else and I entertained the transgender element of identity to a point and then realised that its social engineering dressed in mental health wellness rather than a true road to happiness and the more society fights people on this front the worse off we are.