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Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy - JonHenry - 07-30-2017
(07-30-2017, 01:03 AM)blue4life link Wrote:There's no argument from me about any of that, my point is that the three midfielders we add would replace Kerridge and Graham and allow Gibbs to play outside where he's better suited, there's no need to replace Murphy or Gibbs who are both very good footballers in my opinion.
We have to accept some pain while Petrevski-Seton, Fisher and Cunningham develop and Cripps and Curnow are unavailable.
These 3 players have to appear from somewhere.
We aren't drafting 3 champions any time soon or taking a Dusty type player unless we give something up.
We need to be realistic.
Murphy and Gibbs have had a good go.
Just not elite.
Time to move forward
Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy - PaulP - 07-30-2017
(07-29-2017, 11:49 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:I think the problem is as number 1 picks we expect them to be elite and in Murphy's case he was earlier in his career. We just have to accept them as B+ players or ship them out.
That's true - despite the protestations of some on here, neither of them could have possibly flimflammed so many different regimes and senior coaches over more than 10 years. They've had Pagan, Ratten, Malthouse, Barker and Bolton, and neither has ever been dropped to the 2's, neither has ever been put up for trade, neither has ever had their effort or endeavor or professionalism called into question. I don't believe they could have survived under such circumstances if they didn't have something to offer.
Whilst they're not of the calibre of Judd, neither are 95% of blokes that have played the game. It seems churlish to pan them for the club's broader failings.
Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy - kruddler - 07-30-2017
(07-29-2017, 11:49 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:I think the problem is as number 1 picks we expect them to be elite and in Murphy's case he was earlier in his career. We just have to accept them as B+ players or ship them out.
Murphy was leading all kinds of rankings earlier this year. Including better than Danger, Martin etc.
Gibbs had a purple patch that was on a par with anything that Ablett and Danger has done.
Problem we have with the above is the consistency as much as anything.
Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-30-2017
(07-30-2017, 01:23 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Murphy was leading all kinds of rankings earlier this year. Including better than Danger, Martin etc.
Gibbs had a purple patch that was on a par with anything that Ablett and Danger has done.
Problem we have with the above is the consistency as much as anything.
Murphy doesnt impact or win games....Gibbs does every now and then but not like Danger, Martin etc....
Gibbs had his patch thats true but thats been his career...4-5 games at A Grade level every season and then back to being a B grader....
Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy - Lods - 07-30-2017
When a full squad is up and running everyone has a job.
Cripps has one, Gibbs and Murphy have one, Curnow usually takes a tagging role on one of the opposition midfielders.
A player like Cripps draws a lot of attention from the opposition.
If he goes down that attention switches to the next most dangerous tier....Gibbs and Murphy.
If Curnow goes down a dangerous opposition midfielder also enters the equation.
Gibbs and Murphy now not only have to do their own jobs but they need to pick up the slack left by the absences....and they have to do it under increased opposition scrutiny.
One soldier out, another in....but our problem is the replacements are still in cadets.
Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-30-2017
(07-30-2017, 01:44 AM)Lods link Wrote:When a full squad is up and running everyone has a job.
Cripps has one, Gibbs and Murphy have one, Curnow usually takes a tagging role on one of the opposition midfielders.
A player like Cripps draws a lot of attention from the opposition.
If he goes down that attention switches to the next most dangerous tier....Gibbs and Murphy.
If Curnow goes down a dangerous opposition midfielder also enters the equation.
Gibbs and Murphy now not only have to do their own jobs but they need to pick up the slack left by the absences....and they have to do it under increased opposition scrutiny.
One soldier out, another in....but our problem is the replacements are still in cadets.
You also have to look at the effect of the players Gibbs and Murphy play on and what damage they do...often their opponents are allowed to run around rack up 30 possies themselves
No use Murphy and Gibbs getting 30 possies if Pendlebury, Treloar, Sidebottom as an example get the same for the opposition etc and by virtue of being better users of the ball impact the game more...
You often look at the stats and see Murphy, Gibbs with high numbers but then look at the opposing teams mids who have about 5 players with similar numbers....Scott Selwood had more ball than Gibbs yet people say Gibbs went well and gave him votes even though Scott Selwood was his direct opponent for most of the night..
Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy - blue4life - 07-30-2017
It's the lot of supporters of lower teams to criticise their best players and always has been.
Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy - laj - 07-30-2017
(07-30-2017, 03:33 AM)blue4life link Wrote:It's the lot of supporters of lower teams to criticise their best players and always has been.
Exactly! They talk with their frustrations not their brains.
Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy - blue4life - 07-30-2017
(07-30-2017, 01:13 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:These 3 players have to appear from somewhere.
We aren't drafting 3 champions any time soon or taking a Dusty type player unless we give something up.
We need to be realistic.
Murphy and Gibbs have had a good go.
Just not elite.
Time to move forward
Our midfield of 2019 might already be at the club, add Cripps and Curnow to last night then 18 months and two pre seasons of development into Petrevski-Seton, Fisher and Cunningham.
Petrevski-Seton has exceeded all expectations for a first year player, especially one with no pre season, Fisher looks like a definite long term prospect and Cunningham has solid foot skills, clean hands and more capacity to build body strength than the other two.
This rebuild was never going to happen overnight, it will take another couple of years minimum and there'll be some pain along the way but if we draft and trade well this year and next there's no reason why we can't go deep into September in 2020.
Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy - PaulP - 07-30-2017
We've had more 1st round picks than any club over the last 15 years, and if we're not No 1, we would be 2 or 3. We've had first dibs on plenty of talent recently. And yet here we are, 17th with a few games left.
High end talent is not the answer. Been there done that. I look at the Hawks, Cats and Swans, and I want what they have, i.e to be able to stay competitive, without bottoming out. Those clubs haven't had many 1st rounders over the last few years, and yet they seem to pluck decent, AFL ready players from somewhere. I watched the Hawks Swans game on the weekend, and marveled at the number of names I'd never heard before, marveled at how they looked big and able to deliver AFL quality footy.
Bottoming out stinks to high heaven, and once you've been down there too long, it's very hard to get back up. The Dees have taken an eternity to look decent. I fear we may end up following them, rather than the 3 I mentioned.