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Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - flyboy77 - 04-21-2017
(04-21-2017, 10:53 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Apparently, it's not rocket science.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-21/sideway-tigers-direct-ball-movement-a-key-to-start-caracella
it was pure madness the persistent do nothing/sideways kicking that simply allowed every port player to flood back and then we panicked and coughed it up.....
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - BluePhantom - 04-21-2017
Bolton can go on about green shoots and not getting too low etc, but when you haven't played in a state for a few years and put up a showing like that you will lose juniors in SA.
Rusted on supporters will keep going because it is ingrained but for young-uns you tend to follow the better teams. (see Hawthorn Band wagon)
Very poor showing by the club for SA supporters.
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - BluePhantom - 04-21-2017
(04-21-2017, 11:44 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:it was pure madness the persistent do nothing/sideways kicking that simply allowed every port player to flood back and then we panicked and coughed it up.....
At least in the Ratten days we had some enjoyment of kicking goals. It was fun to watch. We just couldn't stop them kicking them the other way :o
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Vivian - 04-22-2017
With a team of toddlers the result was always going to be a loss. 90 points is pretty disappointing but primarily a result of the third quarter lapse.
The most frustrating aspect was the poor goal kicking. We got the ball inside enough times to make the game closer in the first half but wasted opportunities ities. Murphy's miss, along with other muffed kicks made the task harder.
Good to see c. Curnow play his best game. He got to enough contests and showed he can drag down contested marks. Keep it up. Cripps played very well but struggled to get free, and fisher got a bit of the ball later on and didn't waste it too much. Great game from rowe who kept dixon quiet when the ball was flying in fast.
Potting gibbs has become a past time for many. I thought he played well, and got his hands dirty after hurting his thumb. Easy for us to be critical from the cheap seats. He has limitations but remains one of our best.
Good to see casboult kick a few and get more involved in the second half. I thouht he cost us the first 2 PA goals by being tentative and not breaking a pack and the ball got run out easily. For a bloke his size he should be able to hurt opponents more. Perhaps it is his character, but we could really use a big bruiser up forward that puts a knee into the defenders. Rocca needs to feed him angry pills.
As a couple of others have pointed out, we missed Kruezer and his follow up work in the middle and missed thomas who has played a role to organise many of the younger players. We are playing to a clearer structure this year, but it is one that breaks down without good leadership and discipline.
Docherty is struggling this year, the result of being attended to by the opposition. With simpson likely to retire at the end of the year we will be looking for an established half back methinks in the trade period.
All in all we got another game into very young players. By mid season we will be playing schmedts and palmer and co so as to stop the bleeding and the teenagers get tired. There is clearly a longer game being played and it is working.
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Baggers - 04-22-2017
(04-21-2017, 08:30 PM)BlueAvenger link Wrote:Look, i can understand the impatience as we haven't had any real success in 15 years, but we are starting again.
I must admit i am a sore loser and as impatient as the next bloke but we need to give these guys time to develop.
Losing Kreuzer and Daisy really hurt.
MK is a bull in form that really adds that extra grunt mid to give Cripps, Murph and Gibbs a chop out.
Daisy even though he is grossly overpaid (not his fault), cant kick over a jam tin anymore, and lacks a yard of pace is still an experienced senior player who directs traffic and is only viewed by all us experts as a list clogger. His role in the team is important for the young blokes IMO. I hope they are both back in next week.
Polson, SPS, Pickett and Fisher all have elite speed and skill sets and will complement the bull Cripps in years to come.
Williamson is a jet. Could be anything but i think he will be another big quick mid once he builds his tank.
C. Curnow had 19 touches and 8 marks. Impressed with his game (his 10th) just in case anyone forgot.
Marchbank, Plowman and Macreadie and Docherty form the nucleus of a superior backline for 10+ years.
Matty Wright. Will probably play another 5 years with us but i'd love to see him back to his old role of high half forward. Played on a wing because Daisy was out.
My god if Weitering got some decent F50 entries he would be clunking a few but our mids are moving it too damn slow allowing defensive structures to be set up in our F50. If he was getting some decent delivery he could kick 40 goals plus. But it takes time.
We need to be patient as much as it hurts watching us get pantsed, we really need this new young brigade to play 50 games together as a unit. Then things will start to happen.
This is our first true re-build in how long?? This is a new Carlton and we are going to experience many ups and downs.
Buckle up your seat belts and enjoy the ride people.
Spot on. Well said.
Only human nature as we watched last night to feel bitterly disappointed. As BA pointed out so well, we're at the very beginning of climbing a big mountain (after years of terrible neglect/short-sightedness) and last night we stumbled badly. I like how BB stood firm on our direction and took the failure of last night in his stride - could be a steep learning curve for him too!! I just hope the Adelaide bloke is the right mentor (mate of the CEO concerns me), personally I'd rather someone as his mentor who is/was a CFC person and carries/carried our culture/success in their blood. A Parko type... another excellent teacher. Or even a Matthews or Roos.
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - DJC - 04-22-2017
I noticed that Andy McKay was in the box last night (as he was last game) with headphones on and obviously communicating with the bench. Are we a coach down at the moment or is Macca there to free up one of the coaches to do something more productive?
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - PaulP - 04-22-2017
(04-22-2017, 12:17 AM)DJC link Wrote:I noticed that Andy McKay was in the box last night (as he was last game) with headphones on and obviously communicating with the bench. Are we a coach down at the moment or is Macca there to free up one of the coaches to do something more productive?
I was surprised to see him in there as well, right next to Bolts. Is it common for a director of football to do this ? Maybe he's checking out Bolton's match day coaching nous.
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - bratblue - 04-22-2017
We've had three six day turnarounds in a row. We haven't recovered from the drug cheat game so while it was ugly it was predictable.
The kids have never played in a coliseum like atmosphere like last night and the way the theme song was sung with the flag waving at the start of the game was very intimidating. We haven't played there since '14 and I hope we never play there again.
We'll learn from it.
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - shawny - 04-22-2017
Anyone notice Cripps being very vocal in the 1/4 time huddle.
The commenters mentioned it as well.
Haven't seen that side of him too often but I liked it.
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - cookie2 - 04-22-2017
(04-21-2017, 11:23 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:Didn't he lay 8 or 9 tackles v The drug cheats?
Prior to this game his tackle numbers were 7, 4, 10, 7 so I don't know what happened last night.