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Re: Goaltracker - Gointocarlton - 06-02-2017
(06-02-2017, 06:31 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Well, I hope you're right, although I have my reservations about Melbourne being a suitable model to follow.For me, the fact that BB has put dots on paper is massive compared the to the previous mob who wiped their asses with the paper and put it on the table.
No doubt Bolts has put down dots on paper, and some of you seem to be able to join those dots and see the picture he's trying to make. Me, I'm undecided at this point. I can see little things here and there, but doubts remain.
Re: Goaltracker - kruddler - 06-02-2017
(06-01-2017, 10:39 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:My confidence comes from a few places.
1. No bombers/lions easy beats this year for teams to inflate their scoring.
2. On average at the end of last season (vs this season) many teams are conceding on average less points per match than last season. Likewise, it's fifty fifty in terms of teams scoring more on average (points scored/conceded divided by matches played). It's still early for this. It can change.
3. I watch a lot of footy. Games seem tighter, scoring isn't as quick, games are more open but generally the games are more end to end, with most of the play between the arcs and lots of turnovers entering forward fifty.
I might have drawn some false conclusions, and some false perceptions. However I'm confident in my opinions. Time will tell, but I'm not overly concerned about it. We're getting opportunities, we are semi efficient with scoring, there is room for improvement and if our final kick entering fifty was cleaner we'd score more goals.
Scoring is down, footy has changed, tougher year this year etc.
Sure.
But...
Before last round, we were the only team to not have scored 100 goals so far this season.
We've only played 2 of the top 7 teams thus far so you certainly can't blame a hard draw.
Whatever trends you perceive to be going on, we are still at the bottom of them.
Re: Goaltracker - Thryleon - 06-02-2017
(06-02-2017, 09:03 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Scoring is down, footy has changed, tougher year this year etc.
Sure.
But...
Before last round, we were the only team to not have scored 100 goals so far this season.
We've only played 2 of the top 7 teams thus far so you certainly can't blame a hard draw.
Whatever trends you perceive to be going on, we are still at the bottom of them.
I don't doubt that but given Port smashed hawthorn about as much as any team is going to smash anyone and still only scored 13 goals for the match, I'm not worried.
I know with better execution we'd be scoring more.
We will see how it all pans out soon enough. I'm not stupid enough to think that everything is going to be fine, but I'm not worried about stuff at this stage.
Re: Goaltracker - laj - 06-02-2017
(06-02-2017, 02:21 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Attack is the best form of defense - 1970, 1972, 1995, 2007 GF's, all examples of teams who were either inherently attacking, or changed it up to go more attacking on the big day.
It's much harder for the opposition to catch you when you score 120 points per game than 70. It also makes it easier for the defense. There is simply no margin for error if your back 6 is defending measly low totals. The Crows defense, however good or bad they may be, have it easier than our boys. By this factor, our back 6 are doing a stellar job.
Never helped Geelong in the 90s. In big finals defence is a big key. any coach will say that. 1995 and 2007 were simply massacres, simply one side being far superior to the other. 70 and 72 were simply another era.
Re: Goaltracker - laj - 06-02-2017
(06-01-2017, 08:33 AM)kruddler link Wrote:...and what happens if they don't live up to expectation?
We've lost them, and 2+ years of experience on a potential replacement player we could've/SHOULD'VE drafted in the meantime.
Keep drafting until you have an embarrassment of riches that you can cash in on.
In the meantime.....do what we did with A. Silvagni. Take a big body who is ready to go should we need them.
The old fine balancing act of recruiting, when to go young, when to blend it with experience, or if you're a top side, when to top up if you think you're near a flag. Getting the timing right of various type of recruiting is so important.
Re: Goaltracker - PaulP - 06-02-2017
(06-02-2017, 01:17 PM)laj link Wrote:Never helped Geelong in the 90s. In big finals defence is a big key. any coach will say that. 1995 and 2007 were simply massacres, simply one side being far superior to the other. 70 and 72 were simply another era.
You won't lose too many games, finals or otherwise, if you kick 110-120 points per game.
I'm not saying it's easy, I'm not saying it's necessarily possible, but it should be the aim.
Re: Goaltracker - sydneybluesfan - 06-03-2017
(06-02-2017, 10:21 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I don't doubt that but given Port smashed hawthorn about as much as any team is going to smash anyone and still only scored 13 goals for the match, I'm not worried.That's an interesting example - Port had 64 i50's and 35+shots on goal. The fact that they couldn't convert and only kicked 13 goals is more about their terrible conversion and Hawthorns extra numbers in defence rather than a lack of scoring power. They should have easily kicked 20 goals based on their numbers alone.
I know with better execution we'd be scoring more.
We will see how it all pans out soon enough. I'm not stupid enough to think that everything is going to be fine, but I'm not worried about stuff at this stage.
I'm curious at what stage you do get worried about our attack? We've been bottom 4 for scoring for the last 3 years, and dead last right now - our kids up forward have some 'potential' but none have even had a breakout game that says they can kick goals at the level. Our key forward is a 27 yo who has only played 80 game and averages a goal a game and less than 10 disposals - in a forwardline where he has no competition. Do we wait until end 2018 or 2019 before we wake up to the fact that our lack of forwards means we will never move off the bottom rungs of the ladder?
Re: Goaltracker - laj - 06-03-2017
(06-02-2017, 09:39 PM)PaulP link Wrote:You won't lose too many games, finals or otherwise, if you kick 110-120 points per game.
I'm not saying it's easy, I'm not saying it's necessarily possible, but it should be the aim.
That's if you're playing well and probably well in front. Simply means you're a better side. To win premierships defence must come first. Won't be a coach who disagrees with that. Finals have so much contested ball and pressure hence if your defence buckles you're shot. Obviously you have to score too but comes with a good side, and a good game plan.
Re: Goaltracker - PaulP - 06-03-2017
Any coach with even half a brain will hopefully tell you that both defense and offense wins you games and flags. If defense was king, Ross Lyon would have a few flags by now.
Re: Goaltracker - Baggers - 06-03-2017
(06-03-2017, 01:14 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Any coach with even half a brain will hopefully tell you that both defense and offense wins you games and flags. If defense was king, Ross Lyon would have a few flags by now.
So right, Grasshopper... Yin, Yang... balance. 8)