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Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-15-2016
(08-14-2016, 12:08 PM)Brettie link Wrote:Do not care one iota about our 2nd half, our I50's or our missed opportunities......fact is, Brisbane should never have been in a position to win this game EVER based on the year they've been having. There are no excuses, it was an utter disgrace.
Said in the post-game thread last week that if we dished that up again, I'd give Brisbane half a chance.....and look what they did!? FMD.......
Rockliff has enjoyed feasting out on a total of 83....that's right - 83 possessions against us this year. Any danger of us putting any sort of work into him??? FMD......
I've got absolutely no doubts whatsoever Essendon will be celebrating hard in 2 weeks time with their 3rd win of the season.
un-fcuking-believable how badly this season has turned into utter shhit.....
Jesus-F-Christ.......
Tend to agree, we really struggle with matchups and some of our forward scouting of other teams is also poor...Rockcliff has the reputation of not hurting you with his possies but that doesnt mean you can just allow him to get the ball 40 times a game either....
I think we thought Brisbane are so crape we were going to roll straight over them......IMO Brisbane put way more work and planning into us than we did into them...Docherty and Simpson were manned up and we lost our run from half back and we struggled to adjust...Bolton has been outcoached in several games and I think we need to remember he is still a novice match day coach and learning the job..regardless of how successful Hawthorn were its different when you have make the final decisions and steer the ship yourself and you dont have a champion playing list to play with...
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - Baggers - 08-15-2016
(08-14-2016, 12:08 PM)Brettie link Wrote:......fact is, Brisbane should never have been in a position to win this game EVER based on the year they've been having. There are no excuses, it was an utter disgrace.
And there you have it. Exactly.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - cookie2 - 08-15-2016
@EB1
OK he's been coaching us for a season now, but I think BB may possibly still take a few things for granted that would happen automatically with a champion team and mature on-field leadership. He's still adjusting in some ways to us being such a crape team. He must be really aware by now though what a crape load of work is ahead of him and SoS to turn this around.
We do however have some good youngsters starting to come through in particular Weitering, Cripps and Jack who will form the basis of our future. As I've posted before, roll on the trade and draft periods! - we don't want to leave these guys hanging in the wind for too long.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - LP - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 01:45 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:...Bolton has been outcoached in several games and I think we need to remember he is still a novice match day coach and learning the job..regardless of how successful Hawthorn were its different when you have make the final decisions and steer the ship yourself and you dont have a champion playing list to play with...
Bolton is in no different situation now than Ratten was, he needs three or four years to determine if he can cut it. I think his biggest problem is going to be what he does with assistants. The game is too much these days for one person to manage, go as Malthouse!
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - DJC - 08-15-2016
I didn't think that Bolton was out coached; our players simply didn't give the effort required. That provided a view of another side of Bolton; the angry side that left players in no doubt that they needed to put in.
Once the effort was there, Bolton's coaching shone through and Leppitsch had no answers.
It seemed to me that our players thought that they had the game sewn up after the first two easy goals and I guess that is down to Bolton, the line coaches and the leaders.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 03:53 AM)LP link Wrote:Bolton is in no different situation now than Ratten was, he needs three or four years to determine if he can cut it. I think his biggest problem is going to be what he does with assistants. The game is too much these days for one person to manage, go as Malthouse!
LP...Fair point on the assistants..a few people have attributed Freo's fall from grace on Ross Lyons assistants and Lyon himself not wanting to delegate and trust them with decision making...
I have problem with Neil Craig being in the box and I have doubts on his abilities to provide Bolton with any substantial advice given he is the next senior member of the coaching team...
Had to laugh when I heard he had been working with Kristian Jaksch, as I have said previously that told me plenty about Jaksch's indifferent form...you look at Chris Judd who has been mentoring
Zac Merrett....Judd's a winner..I'll let you draw your own conclusions on Craigs career...
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - cookie2 - 08-15-2016
@EB1
I'm no particular fan of Craig EB, but seriously, could anyone mentor KJ? He wasn't exactly setting the world on fire before Craig arrived and as I've said before, SoS would know plenty about him from his GWS days.
I guess the secret of being a good mentor is to carefully choose who you are going to mentor. Juddy's no mug! Merrett is an excellent talent.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - PaulP - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 05:05 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:@EB1
I'm no particular fan of Craig EB, but seriously, could anyone mentor KJ? He wasn't exactly setting the world on fire before Craig arrived and as I've said before, SoS would know plenty about him from his GWS days.
I guess the secret of being a good mentor is to carefully choose who you are going to mentor. Juddy's no mug! Merrett is an excellent talent.
Was thinking much the same. You look like a good tutor by hand picking good students.
Would Judd do any better with KJ ?
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 05:36 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Was thinking much the same. You look like a good tutor by hand picking good students.
Would Judd do any better with KJ ?
Craig couldnt make a footballer out of Taylpr Walker from the Crows either, well actually he unmade a footballer out of a very talented player...decided he needed remedial work in the SANFL......for a season....?? :o
I watched Jaksch tear Lachie Henderson a new one when he played CHB for GWS so I know he can play.....I'd fly Glen Jakovich over every week to work with KJ
and let Craig stick to organising the gatorade's or something simple...
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - laj - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 05:05 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:@EB1
I'm no particular fan of Craig EB, but seriously, could anyone mentor KJ? He wasn't exactly setting the world on fire before Craig arrived and as I've said before, SoS would know plenty about him from his GWS days.
I guess the secret of being a good mentor is to carefully choose who you are going to mentor. Juddy's no mug! Merrett is an excellent talent.
He was 19 when he arrived at Carlton though. Don't know much about this year as he's performed well in the VFL, kicked goals and played well in defence, so certainly not struggling, but barely played in the seniors. Can't really judged him until we see an extended run in the seniors.