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Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - PassIt2Carrots - 04-09-2016
(04-09-2016, 10:53 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I am pretty sure BB mentioned it in one of his pressers. He also banged up his knee late in the PS training, its been heavily bandaged so it cant be fully right. Anyway, lets not focus on Cripps because he isnt the problem. Even if he was 110% fit, the senior blokes around him are doing SFA and thats the bulk of the issue right now.
Yeah have to say, get off the kids back. He is the future and he has very little support.
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - Raydan - 04-09-2016
I don't understand the unexpected doom and gloom on here. We are a bottom team, we are rebuilding, we have a new system, new coach and nearly half the list is new, and we are coming from a low, low base.
There is a reason why Weitering was seen as our BOG, cause he can actually play! People point out our number 1 picks, as Taylor did last night on the broadcast, but look at the number of rookies on the list too. These were players overlooked as they had flaws in their game and when the pressure is on they can crumble.
Jammo, Rowe (rookied by Sydney), Touhy, Byrne, Casboult, Wright, Ed Curnow, Phillips. We are missing the tale teen early 20 picks from the last decade that normally will make up a big chunk of a side.
I will look at the young players and how they perform this year, because expecting a win is beyond all possibilities. I said before the season started these is a real chance that we could go 0-8 straight up, hopefully we do well against Essendon and maybe pinch one from Collingwood.
Cripps - Not right, these has been some voices saying his knee is not right, or it may have been the corky from last week but he still did better ythan a lot on the ground, he's just marked at a high level now.
Weitering - A third gamer that is just awesome. When he makes a mistake, it's a surprise. Just imagine how good he'll be in a few years time, controlling the backline, swapping opponents with Plowman and Glass-McCasker (steps on my rookie argument, I know).
Charlie Curnow - Wow, improved heaps from his first game, looked more comfortable in the game and his kick on goal in the first looked composed. I see him as a forward who will pinch hit in the mid field rather that a mid, he moves and thinks like a forward, where a mid will hunt the ball, Charlie seems to look ahead and gets to a position where the ball may go.
Boekhurst - A lot to like this year but still a way to go. Good disposal and seem confident with the ball this year, needs a bit less selfishness and a lot more chase, but I liked what I saw of his mistake in the first half, kicked the ball long but got back and marked the returning pass, where last year his head would have dropped and the ball gone. He needs to make it as I have a feeling that he will be all that's left of the trade from 2014 with both Whiley and Jacksh gone at seasons end.
Graham - Does nice things but drifts out of the game too much, his lack of pace and size hurts too. Still has time but I'm guessing this is about as good as it will get.
Buckley - What does Dylan actually do well? He can run swiftly, but does he lay tackles? He can kick well but when you only touch the ball a few times a game what does it matter? Is he too small to be a back pocket? I don't know if he'll make it, at the moment I'd have to say no.
Kerridge - Worst game in navy blue. Missed targets and goals, didn't lay his normal amount of tackles either or pressure on the body. Hopefully will bonce back.
We had a 6 day break after playing hardened team, travelled to a warm humid ground, against a fast, skillful, inform team. They had two very good forward options Lynch and Martin that should both push for AA this season. Give a lot of other isdes the same conditions and they come up short too.
It's fine to call for people to be dropped, but who havbe we got to replace them. Rowe and Jammo both deserve to be dropped next week, but we have White, undersized (a possible Stringer opponent) Plowman, coming back of injury and needs to find touch and fitness in the VFL. Glass McCasker who didn't even get a practice match.
Do we drop Gibbs and bring in Clem Smith, V-Rainbow or Cunningham? Do we actually think this will help the team in the long run? Cause I doubt it will help now.
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - madbluboy - 04-09-2016
The sooner Murphy is replaced as captain the better, we will go no where with him leading the way.
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - PaulP - 04-09-2016
(04-09-2016, 11:08 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:The sooner Murphy is replaced as captain the better, we will go no where with him leading the way.
I like Murphy as a player. I think he's done as much as he can as Captain, but it's fair to say his tenure as captain hasn't really worked out. I think both he and the club would benefit from him being relieved TBH.
Then we can appoint Gibbs.
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - PaulP - 04-09-2016
(04-09-2016, 11:05 PM)Raydan link Wrote:I don't understand the unexpected doom and gloom on here. We are a bottom team, we are rebuilding, we have a new system, new coach and nearly half the list is new, and we are coming from a low, low base.
There is a reason why Weitering was seen as our BOG, cause he can actually play! People point out our number 1 picks, as Taylor did last night on the broadcast, but look at the number of rookies on the list too. These were players overlooked as they had flaws in their game and when the pressure is on they can crumble.
Jammo, Rowe (rookied by Sydney), Touhy, Byrne, Casboult, Wright, Ed Curnow, Phillips. We are missing the tale teen early 20 picks from the last decade that normally will make up a big chunk of a side.
I will look at the young players and how they perform this year, because expecting a win is beyond all possibilities. I said before the season started these is a real chance that we could go 0-8 straight up, hopefully we do well against Essendon and maybe pinch one from Collingwood.
Cripps - Not right, these has been some voices saying his knee is not right, or it may have been the corky from last week but he still did better ythan a lot on the ground, he's just marked at a high level now.
Weitering - A third gamer that is just awesome. When he makes a mistake, it's a surprise. Just imagine how good he'll be in a few years time, controlling the backline, swapping opponents with Plowman and Glass-McCasker (steps on my rookie argument, I know).
Charlie Curnow - Wow, improved heaps from his first game, looked more comfortable in the game and his kick on goal in the first looked composed. I see him as a forward who will pinch hit in the mid field rather that a mid, he moves and thinks like a forward, where a mid will hunt the ball, Charlie seems to look ahead and gets to a position where the ball may go.
Boekhurst - A lot to like this year but still a way to go. Good disposal and seem confident with the ball this year, needs a bit less selfishness and a lot more chase, but I liked what I saw of his mistake in the first half, kicked the ball long but got back and marked the returning pass, where last year his head would have dropped and the ball gone. He needs to make it as I have a feeling that he will be all that's left of the trade from 2014 with both Whiley and Jacksh gone at seasons end.
Graham - Does nice things but drifts out of the game too much, his lack of pace and size hurts too. Still has time but I'm guessing this is about as good as it will get.
Buckley - What does Dylan actually do well? He can run swiftly, but does he lay tackles? He can kick well but when you only touch the ball a few times a game what does it matter? Is he too small to be a back pocket? I don't know if he'll make it, at the moment I'd have to say no.
Kerridge - Worst game in navy blue. Missed targets and goals, didn't lay his normal amount of tackles either or pressure on the body. Hopefully will bonce back.
We had a 6 day break after playing hardened team, travelled to a warm humid ground, against a fast, skillful, inform team. They had two very good forward options Lynch and Martin that should both push for AA this season. Give a lot of other isdes the same conditions and they come up short too.
It's fine to call for people to be dropped, but who havbe we got to replace them. Rowe and Jammo both deserve to be dropped next week, but we have White, undersized (a possible Stringer opponent) Plowman, coming back of injury and needs to find touch and fitness in the VFL. Glass McCasker who didn't even get a practice match.
Do we drop Gibbs and bring in Clem Smith, V-Rainbow or Cunningham? Do we actually think this will help the team in the long run? Cause I doubt it will help now.
Agree with most of this. Great post Ray.
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - PassIt2Carrots - 04-09-2016
(04-09-2016, 11:05 PM)Raydan link Wrote:Graham - Does nice things but drifts out of the game too much, his lack of pace and size hurts too. Still has time but I'm guessing this is about as good as it will get.
You're writing off one of the few players that has improved over the last 9 months, after just 17 games, and saying he can improve no more? He's getting his hands on the ball at least 20 times a game and he can use it. If he's drifting out of the game, imagine what he can do when he stops drifting.
Agree with the rest of what you wrote but this is just crazy stuff.
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - PassIt2Carrots - 04-09-2016
(04-09-2016, 11:08 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:The sooner Murphy is replaced as captain the better, we will go no where with him leading the way.
Forget about replacing as captain, let's trade the fraud. Probably has a cool 3 million sitting in his bank account, all for masquerading as a skilful mid for the last 10 years.
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - Gointocarlton - 04-09-2016
@ Raydan
Great post and you are 100% right, we are coming from a long way back, no doubt. I just didnt expect to see some of the "old" Carlton in our game. As you say, we have a new coaching panel who have come in and explained the way they want the game played. They have discussed it in meeting rooms and practiced it on the track for almost 6 months. The plan requires alot of on field direction from the leaders. Did you see Ablett telling players what to do, directing traffic? He was doing it constantly. Do you see our leaders do it? I say no. Simmo does it a little bit but these days, its more of a sook and berate rather than being instructional. They either don't get the plan and structures that are required or a too timid to say anything. I would expect someone like Jamo to be directing the defenders and controlling the back line. I see nothing like it, I would expect Murphy to be in the faces of the midfielders telling them what to do. I would expect Casboult directing his fwd line. I see none of this. This lack of onfield direction by the leaders translates to losing the shapes and turnovers or poor decisions. This is the disappointing thing for me right now. I didnt expect a win, but I want to see some improvement in areas I mentioned in my first post in this thread. It will take time no doubt, we are but 3 games into what is a very long road for us. BB needs to quickly find on field generals who will ensure his message is delivered.
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - Raydan - 04-09-2016
(04-09-2016, 11:19 PM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:You're writing off one of the few players that has improved over the last 9 months, after just 17 games, and saying he can improve no more? He's getting his hands on the ball at least 20 times a game and he can use it. Agree with the rest of what you wrote but this is just crazy stuff.
Haven't written him off, but I don't think he will get much better than what we see now. I hope I'm wrong, but all these comparisons to Mitchell are off the mark, as I said in my posts before mids hunt the ball, Nick seems to get around the ball. It's weird but even in Cripps' first season you could see the vision and the hands. I remember saying that his brain works faster than his skills allow, because he almost had it.
With Graham I think everything is there already, he'll improve with the team but he's a role player not a star.
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - shadesy - 04-09-2016
If you can't see the structure and fluency we have with and without the ball then I give up talking football with people.
When we win the ball, we have loose players, chains of handballs, run and spread, it's just that we have too many players who a dumb enough to pick the right target or not good enough to execute.
Our fitness is suffering as we are very much competitive for most of the game, but when we get chances at goals we fluff them. Must hurt.
Last night was not good, but Gold Coast are 3-0 and will be tough to win up there.
Stay the course, if you can't see the improvement in the way we play, then follow something else. We need to start bringing In many of the guys mentioned to see what they can do, because good players are like Jacob Weitering.
I feel sorry for him alreadyz