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Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - Mantis - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 12:33 PM)DontgoJuddy link Wrote:So Buttifant is a dud.
If he can't keep us running. The coach must wear some responsibility and every player must be held accountable more than anything. A willingness to work. Not just a lack of fitness. Blame the club as a whole.
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - PassIt2Carrots - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 10:39 AM)DontgoJuddy link Wrote:I am not 100% sure how AFL define their Clangers stat however I googled it and Ted Hopkins of Champion Data defines it as a Turnover or mistake. I was staggered to learn that in 2014, Carlton had the fewest total number of Clangers of any Club. You read it correctly, the fewest. 912 for the year to be exact. PA made the most with 1151. So far this year, we have the 4th fewest. So it seems though that we get scored heavily against us from our TO's (or clangers) which means its all about where, who and how we turn it over perhaps.It's really hard to kick a clanger when you're kicking long to a contest on the boundary.
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 08:51 AM)DJC link Wrote:I don't think we are lessed skilled than other teams, we just have an extra degree of difficulty in our execution.
Compare our ball use with that of our opponents. When we get possession, particularly in a clearance or contested situation, the ball is thrown onto the boot and it's a 50-50 proposition whether it goes to our advantage. This was particularly evident against Essendon where we won the clearances but turned the ball over before the second or third possession.
Most, if not all, other teams use a string of handpasses to get the ball to a runner in the clear. This results in a balanced kick not under pressure or a couple of bounces and a measured kick.
Our reluctance to handpass creatively means that our disposal by foot is under pressure and misdirected as a result.
DJ....We are dumber than most and our players dont want responsibility and you are on your own out there...eg .poor Judd gest the break in the middle of the ground goes for a run with his old legs and gets tackled from behind...other teams would have let him know to get rid off the footy or make position for him closer by so he could dish the ball off...not our team they just let him get swallowed up and then allowed that little maggot Melksham to rub it in. It was sad watching a champ get ditched by his teammates and shows you how lacking we are in spirit IMO....
Its hard top be creative when you mates dont back you up and you have to play safe every kick/handpass...
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - Professer E - 04-20-2015
The team that owns the corridor invariably wins the game = fact.
Yet our "game plan" seems to be predicated on ball movement that uses the outer part of the ground yet we surrender the corridor to the opposition. Any surprise that the best performed clubs of the last decade (Geelong, Swans and Hawks) own the corridor, and the current worst club (US) avoids it???
Even perennial hacks like St Kilda are developing a central corridor ball movement gameplan... my question to this club is, why the F aren't we????
cue crickets chirrrping.
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - kruddler - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 11:37 PM)Professer E link Wrote:The team that owns the corridor invariably wins the game = fact.
Yet our "game plan" seems to be predicated on ball movement that uses the outer part of the ground yet we surrender the corridor to the opposition. Any surprise that the best performed clubs of the last decade (Geelong, Swans and Hawks) own the corridor, and the current worst club (US) avoids it???
Even perennial hacks like St Kilda are developing a central corridor ball movement gameplan... my question to this club is, why the F aren't we????
cue crickets chirrrping.
We were in the NAB cup....were as good at it as Geelong was too.
Since then, it hasn't quite worked out that way.
That could be because
1. We have changed the game plan since the NAB cup.
2. The players are not playing as directed, like they did in the NAB Cup.
3. The opposition are not allowing us to play in the same manner
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - DJC - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 11:35 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:DJ....We are dumber than most and our players dont want responsibility and you are on your own out there...eg .poor Judd gest the break in the middle of the ground goes for a run with his old legs and gets tackled from behind...other teams would have let him know to get rid off the footy or make position for him closer by so he could dish the ball off...not our team they just let him get swallowed up and then allowed that little maggot Melksham to rub it in. It was sad watching a champ get ditched by his teammates and shows you how lacking we are in spirit IMO....
Its hard top be creative when you mates dont back you up and you have to play safe every kick/handpass...
Juddy had no-one to kick to. He stopped his first kick because the target was covered and there was no-one else.
There are so many things wrong with our footy; long bombs to the pockets, not taking the first option, key forwards who follow each other, no lead up targets, no shepherding, suppressed instinctive play, rushed kicks, ball chasing, etc, etc.
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-22-2015
Some of Micks thoughts on team selection for the upcoming Saints game:
The three-time premiership coach said the Blues would fly Kristian Jaksch to Wellington as cover for Jamison, while Matthew Dick, Dylan Buckley and Dillon Viojo-Rainbow were among the candidates to replace Yarran.
Carlton's first selection in last year's national draft Blaine Boekhorst is yet to make his AFL debut and Malthouse suggested he had work to do before he did so.
"He's a 25-possession player from the weekend (in the VFL but) he still needs weight and he needs consistency," he said.
- See more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-22/blues-wont-sanction-yarran#sthash.7mMxx102.dpuf
Not sure Boekhorst will get a softer ride into AFL footy than playing the Saints..dont know what the other three have done ahead of BB to get picked either?
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - kruddler - 04-22-2015
(04-22-2015, 03:05 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Some of Micks thoughts on team selection for the upcoming Saints game:
The three-time premiership coach said the Blues would fly Kristian Jaksch to Wellington as cover for Jamison, while Matthew Dick, Dylan Buckley and Dillon Viojo-Rainbow were among the candidates to replace Yarran.
Carlton's first selection in last year's national draft Blaine Boekhorst is yet to make his AFL debut and Malthouse suggested he had work to do before he did so.
"He's a 25-possession player from the weekend (in the VFL but) he still needs weight and he needs consistency," he said.
- See more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-22/blues-wont-sanction-yarran#sthash.7mMxx102.dpuf
Not sure Boekhorst will get a softer ride into AFL footy than playing the Saints..dont know what the other three have done ahead of BB to get picked either?
If you want to replace like for like with Yarrans omission it has to be Boekhorst. They are both outside run and carry players.
Not sure how/why you'd pick rainbow before boeky.
Dick will give you run and carry....if he was a rugby player he'd be great..unfortunately you need to kick the ball in AFL footy and lets just say he isn't a Chris Yarran when it comes to that.
Buckley would be my 2nd choice behind Boeky to replace Yazz.
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - LP - 04-22-2015
(04-22-2015, 03:29 AM)kruddler link Wrote:If you want to replace like for like with Yarrans omission it has to be Boekhorst. They are both outside run and carry players.
Not sure how/why you'd pick rainbow before boeky.
Dick will give you run and carry....if he was a rugby player he'd be great..unfortunately you need to kick the ball in AFL footy and lets just say he isn't a Chris Yarran when it comes to that.
Buckley would be my 2nd choice behind Boeky to replace Yazz.
Boekhorst is a wingman not a HBF, he isn't accountable and too easily disposed of in contests. Viojo-Rainbow and Buckley are both HBFs!
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - cimm1979 - 04-22-2015
(04-22-2015, 03:41 AM)LP link Wrote:Boekhorst is a wingman not a HBF, he isn't accountable and too easily disposed of in contests. Viojo-Rainbow and Buckley are both HBFs!
It will come down to match ups.
I couldn't tell you bugger all about the Saints they've changed so much in 3 years.
Do they have small forward or two that Bucks can play on?