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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - DJC - 02-01-2017
(01-31-2017, 11:35 PM)LP link Wrote:I think that is a little unfair, most of those disputes have a social genesis older the the USA!
Western societies being relatively new think of family as a house full of people, in Iran or Iraq "A Family or Clan" can in effect be tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of individuals. More than a Sicilian family, I suppose when you have a history of polygamy / polygyny it is a lot easier to have huge lists of relatives even without political alliances!
Apart from the ancient disputes between Islamic sects, the European carve up of the Ottoman Empire and the establishment of Israel are root causes of much of the conflict.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Thryleon - 02-01-2017
(01-31-2017, 11:01 PM)DJC link Wrote:Not exactly correct Thry.
The Netherlands hasn't filled the gap but has proposed that nations with more enlightened views contribute funds to make up the shortfall created by the Trump executive order. The US allocated $620M for family planning and reproductive health in 2017. Of course, not all of that is allocated to organisations subject to the Trump ban, but there will be a significant shortfall to be made up by other nations. If Australia is to chip in, there will have to be an equivalent cut in another aid program.
See this is an example of the media twisting facts and not reporting the whole truth. What I had read was that the Netherlands were going to cover the shortfall, and the funding cuts would only effect social groups, actively promoting abortion in foreign nations.
The commentary has absolutely been about a bunch of men deciding what women can do.
Which is a little single minded when we talk about funding models.
The truth is likely to be somewhere in between realistically, and no loss of funding will occur because the way abortion is promoted will change, rather than anything else.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - flyboy77 - 02-01-2017
On Trump, Dems, Hillary etc,
Start at 35.00 odd if you like.....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-05/national-press-club-address:-kinky-friedman/7905594
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 02-01-2017
(02-01-2017, 02:25 AM)DJC link Wrote:Apart from the ancient disputes between Islamic sects, the European carve up of the Ottoman Empire and the establishment of Israel are root causes of much of the conflict.
Wasn't it Turkey that started by invading to the West(Bulgaria and Macedonia), then when that went sour they decided to head East into Persia(Iran and Iraq)?
Even so, this is well before the USA existed and they are still fighting!
Does the war persist because of US or any other 3rd parties involvement, it seems unlikely!
It's fair to claim countries like the USA and Russia are only involved due to self-interest, but I think it's unfair to claim the war persists because of them.
As for Israel, didn't God tell them "No Soup for You!"
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - cookie2 - 02-01-2017
(01-31-2017, 11:35 PM)LP link Wrote:I think that is a little unfair, most of those disputes have a social genesis older the the USA!
Western societies being relatively new think of family as a house full of people, in Iran or Iraq "A Family or Clan" can in effect be tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of individuals. More than a Sicilian family, I suppose when you have a history of polygamy / polygyny it is a lot easier to have huge lists of relatives even without political alliances!
If you have a look at the activities of the Anglo American oil companies , their associations with the Moslem Brotherhood (among others), the involvement of British intelligence and later the CIA, starting after WW1 and going on until the present day you will be surprised, maybe even shocked. I won't go into it on here as it's a long and totuous tale, but it's fascinating and worth a bit of your time.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 02-01-2017
(02-01-2017, 04:55 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:If you have a look at the activities of the Anglo American oil companies , their associations with the Moslem Brotherhood (among others), the involvement of British intelligence and later the CIA, starting after WW1 and going on until the present day you will be surprised, maybe even shocked. I won't go into it on here as it's a long and totuous tale, but it's fascinating and worth a bit of your time.
As I said above it's fair to claim countries like the USA and Russia are only involved due to self-interest, but I think it's unfair to claim the war only persists because of them. It's an even longer bow to draw if you are claiming all would now be good if they had departed or not started, history says otherwise!
btw., Who does Trump actually back, in rhetoric and action?
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - cookie2 - 02-01-2017
(02-01-2017, 05:03 AM)LP link Wrote:As I said above it's fair to claim countries like the USA and Russia are only involved due to self-interest, but I think it's unfair to claim the war only persists because of them. It's an even longer bow to draw if you are claiming all would now be good if they had departed or not started, history says otherwise!
btw., Who does Trump actually back, in rhetoric and action?
Well I guess you're entitled to your own opinion. I've said all I wanted to say on this now.
PS. I think it's more fruitful to look into who's backing Trump. That will tell us who he's backing.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Bear - 02-01-2017
(02-01-2017, 03:24 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:On Trump, Dems, Hillary etc,
Start at 35.00 odd if you like.....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-05/national-press-club-address:-kinky-friedman/7905594
Kinky Friedman is still alive? Awesome!
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - ElwoodBlues1 - 02-01-2017
(02-01-2017, 05:11 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Well I guess you're entitled to your own opinion. I've said all I wanted to say on this now.
PS. I think it's more fruitful to look into who's backing Trump. That will tell us who he's backing.
Good point Cookie....this bloke isnt backing him and he knows a thing or two about making money....
Warren Buffett attacked Donald Trump's business acumen, saying a monkey could have done far better running a public company...
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - DJC - 02-01-2017
(02-01-2017, 08:08 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Good point Cookie....this bloke isnt backing him and he knows a thing or two about making money....
Warren Buffett attacked Donald Trump's business acumen, saying a monkey could have done far better running a public company...
Why are people so unkind?
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