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Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong - laj - 04-28-2024
(04-28-2024, 04:46 AM)kruddler link Wrote:If its one thing Vossy knows its that once you get to finals, everything that comes before means nothing.
The way Leigh Matthews used to get his side cheery ripe for finals and dominate despite never finishing top.
2001 - 2004
2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Flag, flag, flag, runners up.
Same with Hardwick and Richmond. They went flag, PF, flag, flag. Only year they finished on top was the year they didn't win.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong - Lods - 04-28-2024
(04-28-2024, 04:19 AM)kruddler link Wrote:If anyone had any doubts about Pittonets ruck ability after yesterdays efforts then they don't understand football.
Not sure many doubted him or his ruck ability.
You're the one who wanted to leave him out of the side
One of the things that's really impressive is his use of handball at the moment.
He's standing in tackles and dishing it off.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong - LP - 04-28-2024
(04-28-2024, 05:20 AM)Lods date Wrote:One of the thing that's really impressive is his use of handball at the moment.For me, it's Pitto's strength that allows him to push off opponents under the new ruck rules, which basically makes him more agile than he would be if he was just in a flat foot race to the footy. If opponents grab his arm they are likely to get pinged for holding, and when Pitto pushes off he becomes another ground ball player, he is above average below the knees for a bloke his size.
He's standing in tackles and dishing it off.
In this regard the "strong arm" rule is perhaps better for Pitto than say Nankervis or McInerney who are less mobile.
I always thought the go for TDK would be to play similarly, basically concede the tap with a minimal effort but push off to recover and become another midfielder in the chain of play. You either assist team-mates or become a road block for opponents, but you must always be one or the other.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong - kruddler - 04-28-2024
(04-28-2024, 05:20 AM)Lods link Wrote:Not sure many doubted him or his ruck ability.
You're the one who wanted to leave him out of the side
One of the thing that's really impressive is his use of handball at the moment.
He's standing in tackles and dishing it off.
Plenty did and kept saying how useless those stats were and how he does nothing around the ground too.
Can't hear any of that now.
Even i underestimated his abilities.
Its imagine what a player can do when he gets back to full fitness.
My preference is still to play 1 ruck and have another player give a chop out, but that other player needs to be able to hold down another spot on his own merits. Currently, TDK is doing that with the absense of a 3rd tall in Silvagnis mold. The moment TDK drops off up forward is the moment he or Pitto needs to be dropped.
Then its a matter of who you think is best and why.
....and thats the part people cant agree on because different people weigh up different areas differently.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong - Lods - 04-28-2024
(04-28-2024, 05:49 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Plenty did and kept saying how useless those stats were and how he does nothing around the ground too.
Can't hear any of that now.
Even i underestimated his abilities.
Its imagine what a player can do when he gets back to full fitness.
My preference is still to play 1 ruck and have another player give a chop out, but that other player needs to be able to hold down another spot on his own merits. Currently, TDK is doing that with the absense of a 3rd tall in Silvagnis mold. The moment TDK drops off up forward is the moment he or Pitto needs to be dropped.
Then its a matter of who you think is best and why.
....and thats the part people cant agree on because different people weigh up different areas differently.
That's the thing though
Pittonet and Tom 'are' very different ruckmen.
And both would be well within the best 22 at the moment.
Would you drop Pittonet or Tom to add 'one of' Cincotta, Binns, Durdin, Owies, Carroll, Cowan, either Hollands etc etc.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong - LP - 04-28-2024
I didn't give him a vote, but plenty impressed with Boyd, gets better every week.
Made a few mistakes that burned some opportunities, but fixed most of them, his relentless 2nd efforts are A-Grade, others need to watch his intensity.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong - LP - 04-28-2024
(04-28-2024, 05:59 AM)Lods date Wrote:And both would be well within the best 22 at the moment.Agreed, they are automatics at the moment, Midfield and Ruck is not our problem.
Would you drop Pittonet or Tom to add 'one of' Cincotta, Binns, Durdin, Owies, Carroll, Cowan, either Hollands etc etc.
If anything yesterday perhaps we got it wrong with Charlie and BigH, should have got up the ground a bit more and made themselves an annoyance for Cameron? Most rucks can't go with Cameron, so you either need a big mobile KPD or you have to find ways to make him accountable, if Cameron charges off up the ground to become the loose man in defence, make his opponent a focus.
Sounds easy.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong - pinot - 04-28-2024
Its more to do with the service Cameron was getting from their high half and small forwards.. they were the problem imo. Defensive transitioning to plug in holes wasn't good enough as lacked run - team defence wasn't where it should be and that needs to be fixed this week.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong - Adelaideblue - 04-28-2024
(04-28-2024, 12:47 AM)IvanAwfulbigone link Wrote:Yep. My TV barely survived that one.
Further to that, doesn’t matter which player of ours it was, why the hell were they 3 metres away? For god’s sake, if anyone should have a player’s hand placed on their chest by way of tracking their position in space and time, it’s Cameron - especially when the game’s on the line in the last few minutes.
Yes, can't help but agree totally. Where was the Carlton player whose job was to wear Cameron (Geelong's most dangerous forward) like a skin? At least Binnsie tried to man up, but hardly his role.
Feel for our coaches watching on such inept defensive work
Ab
Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong - Lods - 04-28-2024
(04-28-2024, 06:51 AM)Adelaideblue link Wrote:Yes, can't help but agree totally. Where was the Carlton player whose job was to wear Cameron (Geelong's most dangerous forward) like a skin? At least Binnsie tried to man up, but hardly his role.
Feel for our coaches watching on such inept defensive work
Ab
No doubt Voss was disppointed with the whole defensive effort, but that one would have been particularly 'triggering' just prior to the after match presser.