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Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne - blueboys_1 - 06-03-2023
(06-02-2023, 11:38 PM)PaulP link Wrote:It's important to bear in mind that one of the few pieces of the Teague review that was made public was the fact that he focussed too much on offence and not enough on defence. Clearly Voss was brought in to rectify that, and one way of achieving that is to play safe, keepings off and deny the opposition the ball. I can see the logic, and I can also see that he is trying to get the boys to understand the mood of the game at particular moments, when to run and gun and when to go safe. Voss is following the standard and in vogue coaching mantra of wanting us to be a "team that is hard to play against" and wanting to build from a solid base of contest and defence. Clearly we're a good way away from implementing that consistently.
Interesting you say that Paul. A former coach of ours, MM, said last night that there are 2 forms of defence, 1st is if you have the ball and 2nd if they do not have the ball, i.e.
keeping's off. Unfortunately if you turn the ball over as much as we do then it's not defence any more.
Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne - PaulP - 06-03-2023
(06-03-2023, 03:18 AM)blueboys_1 link Wrote:Interesting you say that Paul. A former coach of ours, MM, said last night that there are 2 forms of defence, 1st is if you have the ball and 2nd if they do not have the ball. Unfortunately if you turn the ball over as much as we do then it's not defence any more.
Yep, I agree. The ideas I'm sure are sound, but the implementation is wanting. I'm sure this is the reason why we have the chip kick, 15m backwards passes etc. - to limit turnover. Perhaps it becomes a negative reinforcement loop for the players - they think they're not trusted to go bold, so it preys on their mind and affects their confidence. Perhaps Voss and the other coaches have watched the boys at training and on game day, and have seen enough to feel their damage limitation policy is justified ? I really wish I knew. I can't help but feel that the key to unlock all this is something simple and obvious, it's right under everyone's noses and they're just not seeing it. I wonder if coaches and players have had a heart to heart like Justin Longmuir and the Freo boys ? Maybe our boys need something like that.
Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne - Macca37 - 06-03-2023
(06-03-2023, 03:32 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Yep, I agree. The ideas I'm sure are sound, but the implementation is wanting. I'm sure this is the reason why we have the chip kick, 15m backwards passes etc. - to limit turnover. Perhaps it becomes a negative reinforcement loop for the players - they think they're not trusted to go bold, so it preys on their mind and affects their confidence. Perhaps Voss and the other coaches have watched the boys at training and on game day, and have seen enough to feel their damage limitation policy is justified ? I really wish I knew. I can't help but feel that the key to unlock all this is something simple and obvious, it's right under everyone's noses and they're just not seeing it. I wonder if coaches and players have had a heart to heart like Justin Longmuir and the Freo boys ? Maybe our boys need something like that.
I can see where a damage limitation policy is justified. The sad fact is that so many of our players have such poor foot skills that they cannot be trusted to keep possession even with the chip kick.
On numerous occasions they kick too wide of the target, kick the ball too high allowing an interception, or kick the ball just short of the intended player.
Trying to play attractive, attacking football just means the opposition gets the ball given back to them on turnover which just heaps misery on our defence once again.
No wonder player morale is down. On the rare occasion we kick a goal we usually find that the opposition responds very quickly after cutting up our midfield and defence like a hot knife in butter.
Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne - pew2 - 06-03-2023
i have said this many times, if there was a stat for a team that kicks straight to the opposition our club will be on top
Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne - kruddler - 06-03-2023
(06-03-2023, 01:51 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:madbluboy, Kuddler and LP all agreeing wow.
If we get LL agreeing with us i think the universe folds in on itself.
Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne - cookie2 - 06-03-2023
(06-03-2023, 04:59 AM)pew2 link Wrote:i have said this many times, if there was a stat for a team that kicks straight to the opposition our club will be on top
We find them with consistency and precision.
Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne - bratblue - 06-03-2023
(06-03-2023, 05:15 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:We find them with consistency and precision.
The boundary is also looking attractive as a sweet option.
Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne - Gointocarlton - 06-03-2023
(06-03-2023, 04:59 AM)pew2 link Wrote:i have said this many times, if there was a stat for a team that kicks straight to the opposition our club will be on topThere is a stats for that, its called a turnover. We are ranked 3 with 832, First are Melb with 867, second are Rich with 842 but they haven't played rnd 12 yet. Strangely, 18th is West Coast with 705.
Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne - kruddler - 06-03-2023
(06-03-2023, 05:39 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:There is a stats for that, its called a turnover. We are ranked 3 with 832, First are Melb with 867, second are Rich with 842 but they haven't played rnd 12 yet. Strangely, 18th is West Coast with 705.You gotta get the ball to turn it over.
Re: AFL Rd 12 Post Game Passing Carlton vs Melbourne - Gointocarlton - 06-03-2023
Turnovers per Disposal
Team TO/disposal
1 Tigers 0.212
2 Suns 0.209
3 Lions 0.202
4 Power 0.198
5 Demons 0.196
6 Swans 0.194
7 Kangaroos 0.191
8 Cats 0.191
9 Bulldogs 0.189
10 Eagles 0.188
11 Saints 0.187
12 Giants 0.184
13 Magpies 0.183
14 Blues 0.183
15 Crows 0.181
16 Dockers 0.180
17 Bombers 0.180
18 Hawks 0.176