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Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - dodge - 05-21-2023
As was posted in the in game thread, some Pies run, dare, positioning and ball use was (date I say it) good to watch.
We played cateful, defensive, static football. This skews stats.
What has happened to the electric running, ball movement and hitting forwards lace out - what we saw from our opposition? We tried half way through the third, didn't work, but the crowd noticed and finally started getting interested.
What is the change - shifting the balance too far (we lament lack of defensive effort while playing attacking footy), structure of the side, confidence or confusion of message to the players? Certainly don't have forward pressure.
I think we miss a player who is super quick that can chase an opponent from 50m away or who can get the footy, put on the jets and dispose of it to advantage.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - BluePhantom - 05-21-2023
Read it somewhere else on here.
We have a football IQ of porridge.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - LoveNavy - 05-21-2023
Super quick, whether in the hunt, or with ball in hand, we're a bit limited.
Saad. Philp. Dow. Cuningham.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Thryleon - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 09:49 AM)LoveNavy link Wrote:Surely not! (opinion respected tho)all good. I actually don't want it to happen but that air of inevitability is already hanging around and Carlton just has a habit of doing carlton things.
Where's their learn from the past nous?
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - laj - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 09:56 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Comp is tougher now, teams have improved that were not expected too.Not much stronger at the top but more even down the board.
Even Geelong are struggling and Richmond look gone, we haven't improved to the extent some of the other teams have. There are 2-3 very poor teams but the rest I couldn't be confident of winning against and putting the house on us giving consistent effort which is what wins games as much as talent now.
We have as much talent as most but our effort factor is unreliable and I don't know how you coach effort which should be a given if you are a good team.
Pretty much summed it up there.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - laj - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 10:11 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Look at the stats and across the board it was an 'even' contest.
Same inside 50's
Same tackles
Similar contested possessions
Similar turnovers
Similar 1%
Similar disposal efficiency (we actually had slightly better)
Same efficiency inside 50.
Ultimately, they converted, we did not.
They were under less pressure than we were under, all over the ground, including in front of goal.
A bit more luck in front of goal, tables are turned, pressure is reversed, its game on.
But they got too much too soon and blew us out of the water. We came back but they are too good to let us make a difference.
We "won" the scoring shots...lol.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - pinot - 05-21-2023
We did well when ball was in dispute. Did not hurt them enough when we had the ball and they hurt us more when they did.
When you have money ball kicks from Ed Curnow when he has ball in hand its going to turn into a turn over most of the time.
Most say why not Dow - becase he is a turn over merchant. He gets the ball at VFL and is a good competitor but his turn overs are amazingly woeful. However I think Ed out for Paddy Dow makes sense but Ed is a better competitor with a superior defensive mindset.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 11:40 AM)pinot link Wrote:We did well when ball was in dispute. Did not hurt them enough when we had the ball and they hurt us more when they did.Need to win games and throw caution to the wind as they say, want to see us attack and go hard at the Swans who are undermanned and playing worse than we are. Reckon Dow might get his chance along with TDK as I saw a bit of desperation in the face of Voss at his presser and I reckon he knows these next few weeks are the season gone if we keep losing.
When you have money ball kicks from Ed Curnow when he has ball in hand its going to turn into a turn over most of the time.
Most say why not Dow - becase he is a turn over merchant. He gets the ball at VFL and is a good competitor but his turn overs are amazingly woeful. However I think Ed out for Paddy Dow makes sense but Ed is a better competitor with a superior defensive mindset.
Better to go down swinging than just being a reactive passive team, we have enough talent just need to bring some major effort.
England have Bazball...we need to get attacking with Vossball.......
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Gointocarlton - 05-21-2023
One last thing, we focus alot on the negatives but by crikey we do alot right also.
Disposals +22
I50s 51 each
DE +2.1%
I50 Eff 43.1% each
HOs 31 each
Clearances +8
Centre Clearance -4 (Ill guess they were all in the first qtr)
Stoppage clearances +12
TO +3 (thought is was more)
Marks -14
Tackles 57 each
1%s +4
Often the stats seem meaningless, but they tell a story, we weren't obliterated by the best team in the comp.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 10:43 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:One last thing, we focus alot on the negatives but by crikey we do alot right also.We get a lot of junk stats, DE% are up because we kick the ball so short and wide. Most of Acres kicks go 15m
Disposals +22
I50s 51 each
DE +2.1%
I50 Eff 43.1% each
HOs 31 each
Clearances +8
Centre Clearance -4 (Ill guess they were all in the first qtr)
Stoppage clearances +12
TO +3 (thought is was more)
Marks -14
Tackles 57 each
1%s +4
Often the stats seem meaningless, but they tell a story, we weren't obliterated by the best team in the comp.
backwards for example.
I looked at the stat sheet too and it looked even but it's when and where in the game and the big moments it doesn't really tell the story like when McGovern squibbed a contest or when we kicked it to Moore a trillion times...