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Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 08-17-2022
I have to wonder if Newman is closer to a return than publicised as well.
The more rumours the better, keep the Filth confused!
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Thryleon - 08-17-2022
Would you make changes on the back of last week?
Everyone played about as well as could be expected, and I wouldnt be upsetting the applecart overly.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - shawny - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 02:57 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Would you make changes on the back of last week?
Everyone played about as well as could be expected, and I wouldnt be upsetting the applecart overly.
I think if fit Cerra will 100% come in. As to who for i guess it will be out of Stocker, LOB or Setterfield. Personally I would keep Stocker in and because of a bigger body of work I would pick LOB over Setterfield even thought he was probably better then LOB based on last week alone.
The other one is Williams but this one seems a much bigger risk. Still if he is fit i would play him for Stocker but this one makes me a little nervous cause we dont want another early sub activation because this game will be very hot especially early on.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 02:57 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Everyone played about as well as could be expected, and I wouldnt be upsetting the applecart overly.True, but I've mentioned before I think that level of intensity in that style game is not really sustainable, and we've yet to demonstrate a reliable implementation of tempo control. This is where the Handbaggers have an edge, to some degree the Dees get away with it because of list depth in certain positions, much like Nthmond did with it's glory run of injury free seasons.
A few times we have played a good portion of the game in that style, whether it was a win or loss, we've been smashed the following week. It's a game style and intensity that comes at a cost.
Voss played like that, week in and week out, but he was extraordinary player so it's hard to see a wider list meeting that same level of expectation.
Have a look at the Filth's last two weeks, defeated Melbourne in a close game fought to the death, got smashed by the Swans the week after.
So would I bring in some fresh legs if they are available, quite possibly, but they better be ready for finals level intensity. There will be no cruising back into the flow or tempo of play this week!
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Adelaideblue - 08-17-2022
Did you think our small forwards somewhat disorganised last week, particularly earlier in the game? They were competing well, but several times three or more were fighting for the ball and getting in one another's way.
Perhaps we need to go with one less small forward.
cheers Ab
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 04:33 AM)Adelaideblue date Wrote:Did you think our small forwards somewhat disorganised last week, particularly earlier in the game? They were competing well, but several times three or more were fighting for the ball and getting in one another's way.I think having a contiguous run of games is everything, it's wrong for fans to think players can manage their way through an AFL game, the decisions and actions have to be instinctive. There is no time to think and even less time to communicate.
Perhaps we need to go with one less small forward.
cheers Ab
For example, I can understand why the club seemingly brought Pitto back early, he needed that run, perhaps also McGovern a week early but he had an impact immediately.
The problem is losing last week means this week isn't a game we can afford to be running somebody into form. It would have been nice to win last week, and give guys like Cerra, Newman, Hewett and low pressure run before finals, but it didn't eventuate.
If the Dogs happen to lose or look like they are about to lose on Sunday afternoon, in the game before ours, do not be at all surprised to see a host of late changes.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 04:27 AM)shawny link Wrote:I think if fit Cerra will 100% come in. As to who for i guess it will be out of Stocker, LOB or Setterfield. Personally I would keep Stocker in and because of a bigger body of work I would pick LOB over Setterfield even thought he was probably better then LOB based on last week alone.Collingwood play a good contested pressure game where they make up for a lack of talent with extra effort and hard running. I dont fancy a player like Williams who is suspect in those areas coming in cold with no match fitness. He has Achilles issues and wasnt known for his endurance at GWS and imho the sub role would suit him better where if he did have to come on it would more likely be a short burst rather than having to run out a full game vs opposition who are going to be going hard for 100mins.
The other one is Williams but this one seems a much bigger risk. Still if he is fit i would play him for Stocker but this one makes me a little nervous cause we dont want another early sub activation because this game will be very hot especially early on.
I just dont understand why Stocker is the player most likely to be left out and see more upside in him than Williams and would want him getting the big game experience for the future.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Thryleon - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 04:55 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Collingwood play a good contested pressure game where they make up for a lack of talent with extra effort and hard running. I dont fancy a player like Williams who is suspect in those areas coming in cold with no match fitness. He has Achilles issues and wasnt known for his endurance at GWS and imho the sub role would suit him better where if he did have to come on it would more likely be a short burst rather than having to run out a full game vs opposition who are going to be going hard for 100mins.
I just dont understand why Stocker is the player most likely to be left out and see more upside in him than Williams and would want him getting the big game experience for the future.
Only place I would be shuffling the magnets for next week:
Dow dropped.
Cerra/williams sub. We drop someone who hasnt really set the world on fire, and have a potential game changer in the sub instead.
Newnes is my next weakest link. He has developed the fumbles this year and its costing us in contested situations.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 04:55 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:I just dont understand why Stocker is the player most likely to be left out and see more upside in him than Williams and would want him getting the big game experience for the future.Could we give Motlop a rest this week, and play Williams or Stocker as defensive forwards?
I think if Williams comes in, it's probably going to be at the expense of LoB or Newnes, I don't get why fans always discuss Stocker in this regard. As much as I like LoB's run, tackling pressure probably means more against the Filth than covering the ground, we can't have a guy like Sidebottom free-wheeling again.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 08-17-2022
(08-17-2022, 05:01 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Dow dropped.Tough on Dow, but it's probably in the waters.